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| Quote: tigertot "I can fairly confidently say that the urban space was mentioned in neither the approval notice nor the approved plans. So no.
Strictly I would think a separate planning approval for change of use would be required from that given for the retail development, it would be interesting to check whether the Council bothered with that..'"
It was, and is, only 'temporary' though, so it's only an interim change of use at best - a bit like a demolished office block becomes a car park before it re-emerges as a supermarket. Can't see why it would require more than local approval, which no doubt, the council would have obtained from itself. ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| Quote: Bulliac "It was, and is, only 'temporary' though, so it's only an interim change of use at best - a bit like a demolished office block becomes a car park before it re-emerges as a supermarket. Can't see why it would require more than local approval, which no doubt, the council would have obtained from itself.
True, the Council could deem officer approval, rather than Plans Panel, but I was asking whether an application had actually been made. And if it was for a temporary use, what was the length of time granted for the temporary use?
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| Quote: Bulliac "Agree, it would make a terrific site for an arena, and to be honest if I were a big moneyed local citizen, after doing up Odsal to the level it deserves, I'd be right on it.'"
There was never a chance of that happening, what with the people who had the decision making power fully committed to building an arena in Leeds, I mean we're all one big happy city region aren't we, so why spread any investment around? The Leeds arena will work wonders for Bradford, as will the trolley bus system that they are using the "regions" money to pay for.
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| Quote: tigertot "True, the Council could deem officer approval, rather than Plans Panel, but I was asking whether an application had actually been made. And if it was for a temporary use, what was the length of time granted for the temporary use?'"
Not sure how the council could have specified how long the garden would be there though, given it was wholly dependent on when Westfield finally get their aaaahs into gear, at which point - if it ever arrives, of course - it would disappear under the shops.
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| Quote: Asim "There was never a chance of that happening, what with the people who had the decision making power fully committed to building an arena in Leeds, I mean we're all one big happy city region aren't we, so why spread any investment around? The Leeds arena will work wonders for Bradford, as will the trolley bus system that they are using the "regions" money to pay for.'"
Yeah, like the idea of extending the tram into Bradford - which would clearly be very beneficial to the city by bring thousands of Leeds folk into Bradford to do their shopping....
To be honest I've said all along that any money arriving under a 'Leeds' tag will stay in Leeds - why would they let others have any of it?. Imo, the Bradford Councillors involved in the 'City Region' racket must have secured super duper jobs nodding through money for Leeds, either that or maybe they all live in Leeds. When you look round, there are lots of tiny little places all over the country which have their own 'City Region' and it's a travesty that Bradford is stuck into a foreign one. The fourth largest actual city region in England just being an appendage to another area is just a joke, it's just like the Eighties and Thatcher all over again.
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Quote: Bulliac "Not sure how the council could have specified how long the garden would be there though, given it was wholly dependent on when Westfield finally get their aaaahs into gear, at which point - if it ever arrives, of course - it would disappear under the shops.'"
Because that is the nature of a temporary approval, it is for a fixed period as stated in the approval conditions. Democracy can be a wonderful thing, searching the very efficient Council planning portal tells me the permission was for 2 years from approval in June 2010. Obviously this has expired, whether the Council have applied to have this extended I cannot say as I gave up the will to live by this stage.
www.planning4bradford.com/online ... B4PDHC1000
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Quote: Bulliac "Not sure how the council could have specified how long the garden would be there though, given it was wholly dependent on when Westfield finally get their aaaahs into gear, at which point - if it ever arrives, of course - it would disappear under the shops.'"
Because that is the nature of a temporary approval, it is for a fixed period as stated in the approval conditions. Democracy can be a wonderful thing, searching the very efficient Council planning portal tells me the permission was for 2 years from approval in June 2010. Obviously this has expired, whether the Council have applied to have this extended I cannot say as I gave up the will to live by this stage.
www.planning4bradford.com/online ... B4PDHC1000
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| Quote: tigertot "Because that is the nature of a temporary approval, it is for a fixed period as stated in the approval conditions. Democracy can be a wonderful thing, searching the very efficient Council planning portal tells me the permission was for 2 years from approval in June 2010. Obviously this has expired, whether the Council have applied to have this extended I cannot say as I gave up the will to live by this stage.
Does this mean the garden is now an illegal 'development', or is the council just awaiting planning permission to remove it...
Actually, I'm thinking of starting a 'save the urban garden' (which I must remember to call it, not 'City Park', which is something entirely different), movement; save the the Bradford Urban Garden or "BURG", has a sort of ring to it, don't you think?
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| Quote: Bulliac "Does this mean the garden is now an illegal 'development', or is the council just awaiting planning permission to remove it...'"
It is now much easier to renew expired planning permissions, the Council may well have done this. To be honest I'm not really bothered about the technicalities of this, more that the Council let Westfield treat the city with contempt.
As an aside, the Government like to blame the planning system for delaying development & holding up 'recovery', but the fact is there are 400,000 undeveloped houses with planning permission in this country. It is demand & the availability of funding that is the problem.
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| Quote: tigertot "It is now much easier to renew expired planning permissions, the Council may well have done this. To be honest I'm not really bothered about the technicalities of this, more that the Council let Westfield treat the city with contempt.
As an aside, the Government like to blame the planning system for delaying development & holding up 'recovery', but the fact is there are 400,000 undeveloped houses with planning permission in this country. It is demand & the availability of funding that is the problem.'"
Oh, I agree, though I'd suggest that lack of demand is really another symptom of lack of funding; if there were sufficient jobs, of which people felt confident of assuming were long term [iand[/i which paid a reasonable day's wage for a reasonable day's work there would be little problem with demand....imo of course, Gids and Cams and the rest of the Bullingdon mob might have other ideas..
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