TBH, reading the, so called, arguments put forward by certain fans who are calling for Bradford's expulsion from the league I find myself put in mind of a small child throwing a tantrum.

You just know they were rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of the Bulls going out of business, but now that little joy has been snatched from them, they're rolling on the ground screaming and crying about how unfair it all is and how they're not able to enjoy the demise of our club.

And I must say, that thought makes me laugh and laugh and laugh.

You miss the point of my argument, your ' missdemeanour ' either deserves demotion or it doesnt, I couldnt care less, but to suggest that it is possible to somehow compare the Bulls against Leigh,Fax or Fev in an impartial way is just ridiculous, your place in SL was confirmed when the clubs decided it would remain at 14 , any ' contest ' would be pointless

As for any previous ' contribution ' to the Sport or SL, that really is irrelivant

Well there seems to be conflicting arguments going on here. Do you think there is a NL club that currently has more to offer SL than a Newco Bradford or are you just looking to further punish the Bulls by relegating them?

1st of all the ' NL s ' ended 4 years ago ( your ignorance shows there ) , the point is you either carry over everything, ( previous history,attendances,all the good stuff and all the bad stuff, 1.5 million debts ) or its a clean slate all over, and everything you put forward is ' speculative '

How you compare to other clubs, be they SL or not should not be the deciding factor of you remaining in SL, you stay or go on your merits or failings, not somebody elses

OIC, there was a "Pledge" and a "Pledge "

Still yes, the same as yesterday when this was asked, and the day before that......

Well as a NewCo asking for a licence you should only be able to put in a speculative case in, Which was the reason I believe Fax were turned down.
But it seems you want to be able to walk away from debt that your club ran up and then still be able to use attendances from that period as a reason to get a licence.
Like I say you shouldn't be able to have it both ways even though you all seem to think you should.
Also that punishment was meeted out to the OldCo not your NewCo.

I know, not personal....if anything like this should happen again in SL, should be demotion, but how can they if they don't do it to Bradford.. Nevertheless, i DO feel sorry for all YOU fans....all the best for 2013 onwards, whichever league you're in.

It would also be sensible to point out that a large percentage of SL chairmen have come out in support of Bradford staying in SL. Now, these are men who are looking at the business of RL and feel that having Bradford there would be of benefit to them as I doubt their motives are based on something like sentimentality and are more likely based on "what's best for the business of my club"

Sure, Championship club chairmen would want us expelled, but not for any of these "good name of the sport" arguments that have been thrown around. No, they'd want us out of SL so there'd be a chance for their club to take our place at the sport's top table. And again we find ourselves with motives based not on sentimentality but on what is best for them that stand to profit.

I think you'll find the punishment has mostly been meted out to the players and fans, neither of which was responsible for the mess we find ourselves in, but if that's the price, then so be it.

Are you now suggesting that NewCo needs to be punished for taking over as well? Seems a bit unfair to me.

No.
I'm saying that a NewCo shouldn't be allowed to use details of the OldCo as a reason it gets a licence seeing as it was rather quick to dump that OldCo and the debts built up it.
Either pay the old debts or it dies totally.

I'd suggest Bradford Bulls werent thinking of anybody else except Bradford Bulls when running up massive debts that now cannot be paid

So your point is what exactly?

Details like the number of fans they can expect? I can't speak for anyone else but personally I didn't go to watch OldCo play, I watched the Bulls, irrespective of who owned them. I don't think it's unfair to use historical data as part of a potential franchise bid, do you?

OK paid a rumoured 150k for the Bulls , less than P & A will get paid , and they WILL get their full money , unlike creditors !

OK got the Club for nothing in terms of cash flow for the Bulls , no new money yet. A 'promise' of UP TO 6 million but how much of that is hoped for grants and smoke and mirrors.

I mentioned on here many times that people like OK don't like shelling out any of their own money in large amounts. They never do.

OK will run this as a business and if outgoings v income meet , then he will still have spent 150k only , but you will not be spending at full cap in 2013 in SL as he won't want to spend his own $$$. They never do.

Any ground developments will be him looking to make cash after an initial outlay , like opening and re furbing a new big mega curry house etc

I doubt you will see any 'big' cash and I reckon RFL/SL will let in Leigh/Fax or even Fev for the next 2 years until '14 , giving OK the chance to put his $ where his mouth is in the Championship