Would certainly be enlightening if we knew whether the people shouting loudest for bullbuilders involvement are actually members?. Problem is most people dont advertise whether there a member or not apart from those who use the bullbuilder logo as their tagline. E.G. I'm a member but you wouldnt know it from looking on RLFans.

Why not have a word with Feisal Nabahoo at Probiz, he is desperate to own a Super League team and could get u on the cheap

If only word of a SL club being for sale could somehow have reached someone desperate to buy a SL club. Did he not have enough notice?

Question: Are you a member? If so, are you willing to volunteer your services - on an ongoing and regular basis - to help bring this about? And are you prepared to commit your services for at least the medium term, once the initial riush of publicity is over and the hard, greinding yards need to be made?

If you are, we need to hear from you.

Indeed. But that is not to say there is any lack of ability. Far from it. My personal view is that the range of ability and enthiusiasm and skills represented acros the Bullbuilder board is quite exceptional, and would make a pretty decent management team of a commercial business. And its a group of people I have been very proud to work with and be a small part of.

No, the issue would be the time commitment; and I guess the motivation, especially when the brickbats started flying, as they inevitably would.

I assume that bull builder is run along the lines of a membership association so the members need to vote to agree rule change - assume its in the constitution? I did qualify my question with if the members so deemed

Just for the record I am a member, and if I am honest should have joined years ago - so apologies for my shortsightedness.

The work the organisation does and it objectives are clear and will hopefully still be required for years to come as a active youth policy is both one of the reasons we have had a better year on the pitch and will always be needed for a sustainable long term future even if we did have a wealthy backer - which we don't.

I could well be wrong but feel there are still a large number of fans in Bradford who - according to their means - would like to maintain a vibrant RL club in the city and though it would be nice to be in SL i think many just want to have a Bradford team to support. At the moment most of us just feel like bystanders watching a car crash and are looking for a mechanism to help both practically and financially. BB is already set up so it seems a logical structure to channel the fans interest through?

So two questions:

1) Would BB members be willing for the organisation to be used to facilitate a potential fans investment in the club?
2) If you haven't joined BB already why not? The annual fee is only £10 - which is cheap even by recent season ticket standards!

The other points about BB is that it is a one member on vote organisation - so as a vehicle for fans - who will have widely varying means its a vehicle which would allow people to contribute to the cause as they are able but to have a equal say with all the other members; and that it is already in existence so cutting the tinme required to set up an organsation from scratch when time is at a premium already.

Correct - hence my comment about a majority of members (or technically, I suppose, a majority of members who vote).

Sorry to labour the point, but it's important.

If someone as generally committed and presumably able as you is not a member, what does it say about the likelihood of the mass of individuals joining that would be required to make something like this work?

As mentioned, with a couple of isolated exceptions (perhaps including you?), they haven't been indicating that they are. Things, of course, can change.

Indeed!

It's clear that our take on BullBuilder's role is slightly different, but I respect and approve the constructive way in which you put the argument forward - and the fact that you are doing so from the inside.

I think there is a chicken and egg situation hatching (sorry!!) if Bullbuilder members were to vote and take this forward, I think your membership would bloosom. Expecting people to join up to effect the vote may be a big ask IMO

I know all about membership apathy.... people want to be heard and moan but do little to effect change........

can I ask Bullbuilder give it some consideration without being a member yet?

Bullbuilder member - and I think all should be able to contribute to this discussion, member or not. I very much appreciate that the something-must-be-done crowd are very good at volunteering other people to bust a gut on their behalf. However, I think there are possibilities that need discussion.

Up to this point, I think Bullbuilder has been a great success but its ambitions had been relatively modest and I think that at least partly explains why some have not joined who are now showing an interest.

I think the pledge shows that Bulls fans could put together a significant lump sum and continuing payments in order to make buying the Bulls a more attractive proposition. How this would be organised and what we would receive in return is the question.

I'm sorry if Adey, MDF and other Bullbuilder committee members feel underappreciated and criticised and I sincerely hope that is not how I come across. But I think the possibilities need to be explored and Bullbuilder will always feature in those discussions because of its good work up to this point.

Understandable. I asked in another response whether anyone really thought it was likely that SLE would (for example) stump up £1.5m to the administrator for the Bulls, but then sell the club on at a big loss. But if this is strictly true, then the whole attraction for a new buyer (buying the club debt-free) is gone, if in reality the purchase price is loaded to include the same sum as equals the old debt.


Agreed. Although interestingly I just did a back of a fag packet scribble and £2m divided by 5,000 fans is "just" £500 apiece. I am highly dubious if it could be done, even if there were people to run it, but the numbers are, I suppose, sort of do-able - if you think £2m would be enough.


Fair comment.