And its been done at what cost, not really a good example to quote is it?

I guess it does when you think it through, but it's only what happens in every other sport so the international board decision to allow it is only going with the flow, as it were.

Probably not. If they got a visa in the first place they must qualify, so I suppose it's just a bit of bureaucracy which will slow it down a bit. I must admit it seems strange to give a visa just for one job in one specific place.

Maybe so, I just found the comparison interesting, and anyway, the only real topic in town is just p!ssing me off too much. Im not posting again till its sorted one way or the other, too many s and not enough facts and honesty both on and off line.

Doesn't really change anything, just that the door is open for him to possibly move to wigan next, will have to see who has the most financial clout FC or Wigan.



My point wasn't that is everyone elses fault Bradford are in admin was that it will take Fax or Fev if they do come up they 12 moths to adjust to the superleague, running a team close in the cup and beating a team who were on the slide is totally different to playing wigan, wolves, saints et al every week and mostly taking a tonking, like widnes proved and next year those in the top 6 will only improve so we may end up with a league where the top 6 could be decided by the mid year with the rest just making up the numbers, and like i said i mean no disrespect to some teams but they will lose more games than they win, like bradford the past few years they where not good enough and lost more than they won.
This was supposed to be londons revitalization this year and look where they are, widnes have pulled off a couple of shocks but on the whole they have taken a battering in some games, whereas next year they will improve but may still end up on the receiving end of some teams so it could be possible that if bulls do go then we may have 3-4 teams who lose over 15 and that isn't good in anyone's book.

Knock the league back down to 12 which ever way, and top 5 go in to playoff league champs get a bye to the GF, 2-5 have a playoff knockout, but the league champ has to play a game against one of the teams who is not involved in the playoff knockout final, and give that team they pick some incentive, so the league champs don't have 2 weeks off only 1, similar to how it used to be.

Its a bit like comparing apple's with oranges. Fax's attendances include playing the likes of York, Keighley, Hunslet etc at home instead of playing Leeds, Wigan, St Helens ers. Fax in superleague would automatically increase the attendances to equal and beteer the likes of Salford, Wakefield, Widnes etc.

On the subject of it being a License requirement, well so was having sound finances........

As a Fax fan I have no illusions of being in Superleague anytime soon. I believe the Bulls will liquidate and set up as a new company, being allowed a Superleague place. After all there is already precedents set with both London and Celtic Crusaders already doing this.

I'm with Spanishbob that Fax will be playing in the Championship for the next two years.

However, to get the facts straight, we did meet the attendance criteria for this round of licencing (along with all the other criteria - we were denoted a grade C), but failed on our business plan being "speculative".

£20,000 profit last year - not enormous, but in the black. And that's playing teams that bring a single bus-load (Leigh and Fev excepted) to our home games.

4th final in 4 years next weekend. Life in the Championship ain't that bad tbh.

I think the thing to remember is most Bulls comments about Fax have been drawn by a minority of Fax fans (and others) on the wind up. Most fans would love Fax to be in Superleague (just not at our expense). Your gates would of course increase in Superleague, but I agree you would need time to prepare. i look forward to crossing verbal swords with Fax fans, it is much better than with the Giants, at least you can remember winning something!!

Though they are faily balanced, i.e. a chip on both shoulders.

Fev beat Cas and pushed Wigan close with a part time team. True playing such teams every week would be different, But a Fev team in superleague would be a full time team. DP reckons a full time Fev team would beat the bottom 6 teams in SL.

Either Fev or Fax at this moment would be more prepared for SL than widnes were. Unfair to say Fev or Fax woudn't be competitive. Fev put 90 points past Widnes last season - Thats a lot of points to make up just to get to good championship standard never mind SL.

I also feel the average attendance criteria is very unfair. Both fev and fax have been out of the top flight for a very long time and do incredibly well to get over 2000 fans to every home match especially when you can stand and count the number of away fans, its sometimes less than 30. Im sure the teams love playing us at home as on many occasions we have out numbered the home fans at away games. It goes without saying that attendances would improve, if not more than double if either club was put into SL.

Would be great to see fev in the SL, but if its not to be, the championship isn't too bad a place at the moment.

I think the problem would the difficulties caused by liquidating in mid season. I just cannot see how a new club could be formed, coaches, players and essential backroom staff recruited, a stadium lease signed etc, etc in between super league rounds. If it were pre-planned, perhaps, but there's no suggestion from the comments being made that any discussions or planning is taking place to enable a seamless transition.

I just do not see how a Newco would be able to fulfill the Bulls immediate fixtures. Which would create a nightmare for the RFL. And, if we cannot complete this season's fixtures, I would be very surprised if the RFL would allow us back in SL next season.

Yes it would but not for a poorly managed club that has spent more than coming in compared to teams with lower crowds who appear (and i stress appear) to have vtheir house in order. That said if Fax or Rovers were given the opportunity their crowds would increase and certainly in the local area I dont think their travelling suupport would be much different to the Bulls who to their credit took 3500 to Headingly.

Its an arrogant assumption to think that the RFL should retain the Bulls membership of Super League just because of 10,000 HOME fans at reduced prices.

Its the AWAY support which has to be considered.

Do you not agree that the Scottish Premier Clubs showed the needed integrity in Sport by putting Rangers in League 3? Their fan base is far greater than the Bulls.

I say all this even though my team - Salford - are rumoured to be in a weak position and should suffer the same fate as the Bulls whatever the outcome.

Does everyone mentioning prices have a threshold above which fans count?

No I do not agree. They showed total stupidity - who, with a brain, would consider it sensible to take out one of the joint favourites in a two horse race? Are the bookies taking bets on the Scottish Prem title? Though I do accept it shows that common sense, or even what's actually in the joint best interest doesn't always trump malice when nihilism raises its head.

Incidentally, the only ones being 'arrogant', are the know nothings who come on a Bulls' board, populated by Bulls' fans who are talking about Bull's matters and say that Bulls' fans shouldn't suggest things - even if some of the things suggested might not be totally realistic. Fine, it's public board, but this is private grief and if you can't be positive why do you feel the need to stick the boot in? Not [ijust[/i you, of course...

Also, you are utterly wrong about the relationship between home and away support. It is [ihome[/i support which is the bedrock of a club and it is home support - realised or potential - that a club is judged on, what the away club brings might, or might not, be a bonus but the idea that any clubs work their finances on away support is risible.

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