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Quote: Bullseye "I'd say Odsal is more likely a venue but would seriously depend on the RFL playing ball. They may as well considering they'll have the lease on the place I suppose.'"

Given that there is, and never will be, any real serious alternative to a Bradford club playing at Odsal and that if they refuse it leaves the RFL with nothing coming in, so I guess they'll come to some sort of arrangement. In any case, if we're talking about insolvency and a newco, the old lease has gone up in smoke anyway.

Actually, I think Cibaman's crowd guesstimates are probably a bit on the low side, particularly if the 'new' club does well, and a club with the crowd, and therefore income potential of Bradford is likely to be one of the front runners. For the same reason, crowd potential, I think the club would be looked at favourably for a return to SL when the time is right.

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Quote: Cibaman " As a short term measure I think both Odsal and VP are possible. The RFL aren't going to sell the lease quickly and a club paying rent appropriate to an NL2 club might be better than nothing. Similarly City would have to drastically reduce the rent for VP, but again it might be better than nothing. Many years ago they rented the ground to Bradford PA for what must have been a pittance.

Its interesting following the Rangers saga how many of their fans are now reasonably relaxed about them dropping down to Division 3 (or whatever it is). That's because they know they'll still get 40,000 gates whilst paying peanuts in wages. Even without telly money they expect to make decent profits. They're starting to see it as a new start.

I think if our fans had faith in the ownership of a Newco and could generate the same sort of backs to the wall mentality, we might still get gates of 3,000+ in NL2, rising to 4,000 in NL1. A cash injection of say £500k would be very helpful to get it off the ground, although unfortunately that ship has sailed.'"


Whoa, dreadful comparison with Rangers.

I hope for your sakes there are no parallels with the Rangers situation, Secret double contracts, EBT loans in lieu of salary dating back a decade, criminal investigation into the 2011 takeover. Furthermore they would get nowhere near 40,000 in the 3rd division, prior to the "Souness revolution" in the mid 80s they regularly got crowds of 15-20,000.

Don't believe the spin, they were caught cheating on a grand scale and no longer exist. CVA failed and ito Liquidation, the Newco takeover is a tawdry property deal by vultures. I hope that Bradford Bulls never come anywhere close to that.

Like all fans of other clubs I want to beat your lot every time we play you, but outwith that Rugby League has a bond between rival fans that other sports cannot match, which makes the failure to beat you every time more bearable. icon_wink.gif

I would point out that the money being sought to meet Bradford's debts is not a huge amount if viewed as a club purchase price, however it is clear that your operating costs need trimmed urgently, admin will allow that.

I expect to see Bradford in Super League next year, yes you will probably be at the bottom end for a couple of years and I am not sure you will be at Odsal, though the RFL ownership and franchises make a move less likely.

Bradford Bulls are no Rangers, you have far more integrity than that. I wish you well

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Quote: Tigerade "1st been London then but I thought Leeds was a bigger city than Bradford ?'"


London is not a RL city so don't be daft... I'm sure Bradford is bigger than Hull too but may be wrong - it's occasionally been known to happen...

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I bet there's not much between Hull and Bradford in terms of population.

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Quote: Bullseye "I bet there's not much between Hull and Bradford in terms of population.'"


Hull = 263,900
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Quote: Bullseye "I'd say Odsal is more likely a venue but would seriously depend on the RFL playing ball. They may as well considering they'll have the lease on the place I suppose.'"


I'd suggest ' playing ball ' would involve the Bulls paying a rental reflecting the crowds , not the competition you would be playing in , and no despensations regarding the salary cap in the Championships , we have a good strong competitive league on the pitch , to have a ' failed ' club come in and mess that all up isn't ' playing ball '

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Quote: Starbug "I'd suggest ' playing ball ' would involve the Bulls paying a rental reflecting the crowds , not the competition you would be playing in , and no despensations regarding the salary cap in the Championships , we have a good strong competitive league on the pitch , to have a ' failed ' club come in and mess that all up isn't ' playing ball ''"


Not sure what you're on about there as that's quite a sentence you've attempted to construct.

I'd say for us to join NL1 or 2 and operate out of Odsal would need the RFL to pay for the stadium's running costs or give us some sort of dispensation. Otherwise it wouldn't be worth bothering as we couldn't make it work on the kind of gates and sponsorship available at that level. That's what I mean by "playing ball".

If the RFL aren't up for that then I guess it's bye bye to professional RL in Bradford.

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Quote: paulwalker71 "Hull

You also seem to assume that all these people are potential RL fans - I should think the realistic fan pool in Bradford is much lower than Hull's - plus the city is very much at the bottom end of the national income ladder.

At our most succesful we were managing manybe 15,000 regular home fans - if you strike off the glory hunters, the ones with tight finances - and the ones who now just watch on Sky and look at the ones prepared to watch lower league action perhaps 2/3000. That would put you in a better position than the other teams in the lower leagues - but it would be a long climb back even assuming you did have the key to the SL door.

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No one mentions 'Community / Fans / Trust Ownership' as in Hunslet Hawks , Works very well for them.......No fat cat board of inept directors who , to be honest , are probably the cause of your problems. Get rid of them and start over again is the best way possible.
Is a ground share with Bradford PA not an option (not knowing anything about thier ground)

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Quote: burleycougar "No one mentions 'Community / Fans / Trust Ownership' as in Hunslet Hawks , Works very well for them.......No fat cat board of inept directors who , to be honest , are probably the cause of your problems. Get rid of them and start over again is the best way possible.
Is a ground share with Bradford PA not an option (not knowing anything about thier ground)'"


Not sure of Hunslet's arrangement at South Leeds Stadium but I'd be hopeful we could get a similar deal at Odsal.

Horsfall is where PA currently play I think, it'd take a fair few quid to make it acceptable for professional RL. It's owned by the Council. Not sure any kind of development would go down well with local residents.

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Quote: GiantDee "Whoa, dreadful comparison with Rangers.

I hope for your sakes there are no parallels with the Rangers situation, Secret double contracts, EBT loans in lieu of salary dating back a decade, criminal investigation into the 2011 takeover. Furthermore they would get nowhere near 40,000 in the 3rd division, prior to the "Souness revolution" in the mid 80s they regularly got crowds of 15-20,000.

Don't believe the spin, they were caught cheating on a grand scale and no longer exist. CVA failed and ito Liquidation, the Newco takeover is a tawdry property deal by vultures. I hope that Bradford Bulls never come anywhere close to that.

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