I've certainly noticed!

I predict Leeds signing one of Donaldson or whitehead in the off season maybe with the bulls taking players and or cash in exchange. too good to not be at a better club. maybe huaraki or cross going the other way?

Surely no-one would be stupid enough to swap Donaldson or Whitehead for Ben Cross? He's garbage.

Do you want Sykes? He can play both!

I would be inclined to agree but he has impoved very much in the last month or so but he is down the pecking order at Leeds.

And the bulls are the kings of signing journeymen unwanted by their clubs?

23-year old Patrick Ah Van and 24-year old Marc Herbert are journeymen?

hopefully that prediction is wrong :p

If they can look as good against SL opposition as they did against Halifax we need to be making sure we can make those two players the core of our back row for a long time.

Herbert was unwanted in oz and will drift from club to club. Unless you think the bulls are ready to offer him a longer term deal next year?

I think he is suffering from the pressure of playing for his future employment. realistically long term i think he is looking at playing national league or part time in Oz or dropping out of the game.

But really you are nit picking, Herbert was unwanted in Oz, ah van couldnt brake through so they ended up at the bulls because the bulls are desperate.

As ever, wilko is trolling, I was just rubbing salt into the Lowes wound, but you'll not get a sensible discussion

Though I am mildly surprised that a true Whino would diss such a servant of their club as Diskin was, even in trolling, but there you go.

Not nit picking, I just always associate the term "journeyman" with someone who has quite a bit of experience at a number of clubs. And those two players don't fall into that category.

It's not a comment on the players' abilities, just the use of that term. Personally I feel both need to improve quite a bit before they get offered a new contract. If that improvement doesn't come, I hope they won't still be here next year.

I pretty much agree with your assessment of the players, I just don't think they fall into the "journeyman" category. Certainly not for a few years anyway, and we can't really label them that based on what might happen.

Yeah I see your point. I have explained myself above. Herbert is the kind of bloke who is on the road to becoming that kind of player. I cant see the bulls investing in him long term. It will be a serious statement by the club if they do. I can't see it.