Miles ahead of you.

Overnight? Moran has been at the club for nearly 7 years now - even before he bought the club we were in the process of sorting ourselves out off the pitch with the new stadium etc. Our improvement has not come about overnight but is the result of steady progress over a number of years including a greater degree of professionalism both on and off the pitch including superb work from our academy which I do not doubt we will benefit from in the years to come.

A sugar daddy is not what you need - and is not the reason for our recent upturn in fortunes. It is clear (albeit from the outside looking in) that the whole club needs reorganising.

Believe what you want, anyone with half a brain can see what is going on here.

You are lucky in being able to get a new stadium! We have been trying for 35 years to get a fit for purpose stadium. Every single time we get thwarted. A financial backer is what we need...If you believe that you coukl have done what you've done (2 Challenge Cups..no Super League Title btw), without Moran you are utterly deluded!

Sorry, but that is bollox.

I probably know a lot more about this than you do, for a number of reasons. What the Bulls needs desperately is MONEY. To spend on all the off-field structure, on the academy (how else can the likes of you and Hudds keep making much bigger offers to our academy lads than we can?) and on marketing. Wire, Saints, Wigan, Leeds, Hudds, Quins, HKR and Salford all have wealthy owners -who have been prepared to bankroll the clubs when and where necessary. We have none. Go figure?

And we desperately need a new stadium. How much did your stadium cost (the very insolvent) Warrington Rugby League club company? Funnily enough, you won't see the stadium in the club accounts, but in those of the separate stadium holding company. Same as Hudds. Where did the money come from to pay for the HJ? Not from the club. One little clue: You and Wigan and Saints (for example) all got new stadia on the back of a big Tesco development. Other new stadia are on the back of sizeable retail components (apart from the KC, which was built using a massive council windfall). Our useless worthless dungheap of a council effectively made sure we were stopped from doing likewise with Tesco (even though they then proceeded to sanction TWO other huge new Tesco developments in the city). Funnily enough, at a time when the pressure on the Bulls to move in with Bradford City to rescue them was intense. Go figure?

And that is to ignore all the tittle-tattle about how Wire and some other clubs seem to be able to get far more value out of the supposedly fixed salary cap than other less fortunate clubs. We may not be spending the full cap, but the difference in quality - and presumably cost? - on the park today was startling.

If you are so clever, pray tell us, specifically, what needs re-organising? And, more to the point, how you would set about paying for it?

Imagine if Ken Morrison bought the Bulls and pumped money into it I wouldn't mind the Bulls playing at Morrison Stadium

And Adeybull they probably pay the players money (eg. Lee Briers on £80,000 a year and he gets a £100,000 bonus at the end of year or he get £80,000 a year and his bonus is £50,000 a year while his wife gets £50,000 a year being a receptionist in the club office). The numbers are not exact but use them as examples.

As said previously I wouldn't fancy us in beating any sides in this competition. We are simply that poor and I cant quite believe the deluded statement's coming from the likes of Langley saying that he believes where a top five side.

We are a joke and only we could concede up to thirty points whilst in possession of the football !

Their club was seriously insolvent. Without Moran I (and most of their fans that I have spoken too) doubt they would be here in SL today. Same as Shudds and Davy, Stains and McManus and Leeds and Caddick (in the early years of SL), as examples.

Those clubs' good fortune, and good luck to them. Its hardly their fault that we have not found a sugar daddy of our own. And some shrewd businessmen amongst them - Davy and McManus I especially admire. But anyone who thinks any of those clubs would have got to where they are now without their wealthy backers (or equivalent) is indeed fooling themselves. Indeed, most fans of those clubs fully recognise and appreciate what their owners have done for them.

I won't, because they are not relevant.

All those examples are covered quite clearly by the salary cap rules. All such payments count towards a player's salary cap value. I suggest you go read them - download the RFL Rules from their website.

If you want to avoid the cap, as an example go find a friendly "unconnected third party" prepared to pay the player loads of money offshore for his image rights or for other services rendered.

But the payments to the players wife isn't counted as the players salary it is the wifes salary for working for the club.

I honestly have never seen anything like today and didnt know whether to laugh or shake my head when it happend the 3rd/4th/5th/6th times. Even Wire decided to give you 10 points in the same fashion. I count 42 points in total today coming from the team who didnt have the ball at the start of the play.

Bloody crazy!

Wrong.

It is.

Go check out the rules. A:5.2.1 applies.

The salary cap auditor has discretion anyway to decide whether any payment is in respect of a player's playing contract. I suspect - but I do not know this for sure - that a bona fide employment for a spouse at commercial rates would be allowed by the SC auditor. Paying the wife a totally disproportionate salary for a basic job - as in the anecdotal tale regarding Steve Renouf's wife a few years ago - would certainly not be.

Indeed.

What did my head in was that we seemed totally immune to learning from our mistakes!

I wonder how many times some of those guys would have to bang their heads against a wall before they realised that actually it hurt?

Did you hear the ironic cheer when we finally put a bomb up on the last instead of a kick through for a charge-down?

Even then it was a crap kick that was defused on the full in the in goal area

Add to that the 2 kicks offs that went out on the full and no wonder most of the media were laughing in disbelief.