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| Best post this week.
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| Quote: af "Best post this week.'"
Somehow I'm not convinced, telling us that people are working hard behind the scenes with little money and that evidence of this is emails sent early in the morning is nothing new really, that sort of material has been part of the counter-narrative throughout, and I respect Adey and your right to pursue this line. We haven't got a sugar daddy so there's nothing we can do etc, it's same old, same old, for the last three seasons, however it's becoming almost as predictable as the position taken by ME.
Unfortunately the position Adey describes is a position lots of businesses/enterprises find themselves in and there's lots of ways to tackle it. Without knowing the pay structure for McNamara et al it'd be difficult to fully appraise the situation. Perhaps when re-negotiating his contract extension there could have been a performance element included, perhaps the security of his contract on an increased salary (unimpeded by the negative impact of results upon income) has negatively impacted our ability to spend on other staff etc. Perhaps his insistence upon GPS monitoring with the attendant cost has reduced our budget for marketing etc, perhaps spending upon new training facilities was money poorly spent if it doesn't translate in to performance on the field. Fact is we don't know, so spinning it one way rather than the other is just that - spin, and congratulating your mates on that basis is hardly an argument and is a little disingenuous to all those who have posted reasoned arguments throughout the week.
I have no doubt whatsoever there are lots of hard working poorly paid people trying to keep the club going, but i doubt the coach falls into that category (except no doubt he's hard working). Nor from what I hear, read and see is it financially impossible for us to get rid of the coach, however some people seem wedded to him regardless, and will find any excuse to present the lack of performance as part of some broader malaise from which we're incapable of responding due to the terrible structural inequalities of ownership etc. I don't 'buy' this and TBH i think continuing to pursue this argument is just as damaging as Eddies desire to see the situation worsen thereby forcing the change. The fact remains that McNamara hasn't achieved anything of note during his tenure other than breaking records we didn't want to see broken, he's had the luxury of constructing a team, dismantling it and starting again only to repeat the same mistakes. He's overseen a huge decline in attendance, frustrated and disheartened diehard supporters whilst still having a reasonable resource at his disposal in terms of recruitment etc.
Perhaps he will read Adey's post, realise the sacrifices other staff are making and accept a pay cut, or drop a rung to assistant coach again. But I'm afraid if the situation Adey describes is accurate and I have no reason to believe otherwise, then the coaches failure should be even more of a concern given the resources in pay and new initiatives he has utilised without success.
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| A lot of fair points there and I het there'll be plenty thinking "now that's the bet post this week". However, I need to take issue with you on a few things.
I don't want to rehash old arguments but I don't accept that McNamara has achieved nothing of note while at Bradford. I think the expectation that he should have continued our previously automatic top 5 finishes indefinitely was unreasonable and a cause of much of the frustration now.
However McNamara is deploying his resources, it comes back to Hood in the, because he's the guy whose strategy was and remains centred on McNamara. To say he has built his team is unfair when we know he would not have started from where he did - very few young players up to snuff resulting in a need to scour for bargain buys, some of which came off big style like Semi and Scruton, others not so much.
I've said before that I'm surprised the McCall case doesn't serve as more of a cautionary tale. There the fans thought it was obvious Todd had no clue and McCall was the dream candidate. Now we wait to see whther Peter Taylor will replicated the form that got him lauded, or the form that got him sacked, repeatedly.
And there's the nub of the problem. What makes a good manager? Are we saying McNamara lacks some sort of mystical mojo that Smith, Elliott and Nobby had? We're all stabbing in the dark really. Most now weigh up the probabilities and say it is most likely that a change of coach is the best way forward. Maybe I'm a pessimist but I'm just not sure, even now.
Apols for lack of coherence, half term hangover. I'll try and make more sense later.
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| Anarkik...have you ever sat down and had a decent one-to-one with anyone senior at the club?
As I do keep saying, I don;t profess to be any kind of an expert on the coaching or on the technical aspects of the game. What I HAVE become too much of an expert in of late is going home from matches bitterly disappointed and sometimes angry. me and thousands of others. So yes, without a doubt something needs addressing. All I can do is to try and give background in areas I DO know something about. To what extent those issues influence what we see on the park is something only the players, the coaching staff and the officials at the club can know, that's the trouble.
I have an analogy I use a lot at work - "make sure we don't shut down the wrong engine". After the M1 plane crash, where the pilot shut down the good engine not the failing engine seemingly because his instruments told him the other one was at fault. It seems maybe that is what Bradford City did...if we shut down an engine we need to be absolutely certain we are shutting down the failing engine and not the one that is working. If we ARE certain, then shut it down ASAP and replace it before it does any more damage. But make absolutely certain first?
or maybe, put another way, make sure we are indeed addressing the causes not just the symptoms.
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| Adey, last year (& maybe even the year before that, I can't remember that far back these days) you argued, sensibly, that Macca could not be replaced as there would likely be no reasonable aletrnative available & the Bulls couldn't afford it if there was. It's not for me to call for Macca's head but he now has one year less left on his contract & you signed Matt Orford, which would have cost a packet in spite of off-loading Deacon.
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| Quote: Adeybull "Anarkik...have you ever sat down and had a decent one-to-one with anyone senior at the club?
As I do keep saying, I don;t profess to be any kind of an expert on the coaching or on the technical aspects of the game. What I HAVE become too much of an expert in of late is going home from matches bitterly disappointed and sometimes angry. me and thousands of others. So yes, without a doubt something needs addressing. All I can do is to try and give background in areas I DO know something about. To what extent those issues influence what we see on the park is something only the players, the coaching staff and the officials at the club can know, that's the trouble. .'"
I completely understand the background Adey as you know but anyone would think we were alone in Super League with these issues. Are we? And if we are what are the solutions? At the moment the mantra appears to be that there can't be any change because if there was it might change things for the worse, and by the way we're stuck in this situation so there's nothing we can do anyway. Meanwhile the club's performances get ever worse.
Well I'm sorry but if ever I read a recipe for disaster that's it.
Quote: Adeybull "I have an analogy I use a lot at work - "make sure we don't shut down the wrong engine". After the M1 plane crash, where the pilot shut down the good engine not the failing engine seemingly because his instruments told him the other one was at fault. It seems maybe that is what Bradford City did...if we shut down an engine we need to be absolutely certain we are shutting down the failing engine and not the one that is working. If we ARE certain, then shut it down ASAP and replace it before it does any more damage. But make absolutely certain first?
or maybe, put another way, make sure we are indeed addressing the causes not just the symptoms.'"
To use your analogy I'm afraid that the plane is burning up while the pilot dithers over which engine to shut down!
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| Quote: tigertot "Adey, last year (& maybe even the year before that, I can't remember that far back these days) you argued, sensibly, that Macca could not be replaced as there would likely be no reasonable aletrnative available & the Bulls couldn't afford it if there was. It's not for me to call for Macca's head but he now has one year less left on his contract & you signed Matt Orford, which would have cost a packet in spite of off-loading Deacon.'"
Quite. And we're told that resources are available for further signings if the right player becomes available.
Now, I would argue that if the season continues as it has started that those resources could be put into getting a change of head coach. Ok, not ideal but needs must etc. If things pick well enough then look at it at the end of the season.
The key is deciding when to make the change. Do we wait until the season is over or make a decision based on performances before then? How much goodwill and loyalty can the club expect in the face of further performances like last Sunday?
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| Quote: tigertot "Adey, last year (& maybe even the year before that, I can't remember that far back these days) you argued, sensibly, that Macca could not be replaced as there would likely be no reasonable aletrnative available & the Bulls couldn't afford it if there was. It's not for me to call for Macca's head but he now has one year less left on his contract & you signed Matt Orford, which would have cost a packet in spite of off-loading Deacon.'"
If I understand it right, the club would have had Walker and Deacon, but instead elected to go for Orford and Orford? And maybe an undisclosed transfer fee for Deacon? And maybe third-party image rights for Orford? My guess is that any incremental spend was not likely to be as much as people might assume, to be honest. But guess is all it is, because I have no knowledge of the specifics.
Equally, we have no knowledge of the specifics of Macca's contract. It might instead say something like 6 months' pay in lieu of notice regardless of when it happens, for all we know.
I'm assuming that the club has little scope for extra spend financially (and yes, I heard what the Chairman said at the fans' forum, and yes, it's always possible they ARE voluntarily keeping something in reserve instead of spending the full salary cap, although unless we have an imminent Volcano waiting in the wings I'm not sure why that would of itself be the approach I'd follow) so we come back to the likely source for funding a new coaching team being the directors' pockets - IMO anyway. So it will be down to the board in more ways than one I guess, if my supposition is correct.
I live in hope that we'll see a soon and sharp improvement on the park, so this issue calms down a bit again. If we do not though, then the board will need to be clear PDQ what is the cause of the underperformance, and what steps they must take to resolve it - because much more like Sunday and IMO they'll need to rewrite the financial forecasts anyway.
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| “Steve is working every hour under the sun and the coaching staff are giving us every chance of getting the results. It’s up to us to do the business.”
It's all very probable that this may be the case, however just because someone works every hour doesn't necessarily mean they are up to doing the job. Where I come from we call these [i'busy fools'[/i
Running around all day and never really achieving anything
Perhaps that is where he is going wrong, maybe if he stood back at looked at the greater picture, he may see where he needs to focus his energy.
After all, Quality s far greater than quantity
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| Quote: Adeybull "Anarkik...have you ever sat down and had a decent one-to-one with anyone senior at the club?
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No but I'm quite happy to do so if you think they'll heed my advice
As I explained in detail there are lots of other decisions that have cost money, these go largely undebated, however when it comes to McNamara it appears finance and the structure of ownership preclude change according to your argument. Yet the cost of persevering with him long after many clubs would have acted has, I would argue, had enormous cost in terms of gate receipts, good will etc and the cost of dithering now could seriously and permanently damage the club. I don't doubt finances are partially a reason behind the indecision, nor do I doubt Hood has a soft spot for McNamara and that might make it a difficult thing to do for him personally, but I think decisive action now could ensure those that walked away last week might just return before they find other ways to part with their cash and never come back.
Let's face it we'll never have the rebuilding/re-branding opportunity afforded by the advent of SL again, nor do we have a new ground on the immediate horizon, or a rich benefactor as you point out, so we need to preserve the fan base we have if we're not to enter a longer term decline catalysed by the Board's failure to act.
It would hardly be a rash jugement and it would be difficult to argue that Steve hadn't been given plenty of opportunity to prove himself in post.
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| All words ... no action !!
See what friday brings
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| The truth is NONE OF US fully understand what is going on behind closed doors. That applies to the financials and the playing / coaching side of things.
All we can do is judge what is on the park every week, which by their own admission has been pretty dire.
Before the season started Macca & Hood aspired to a top 4 finish and a final appearance. That was more than I excpected tbf, yet they seemed pretty confident of this.
THIS will be the criteria / benchmark I'm going to keep in mind through the season. If we're no where near that goal in October, then it's time for change.
As it stands now, 2 games in, it's a little too early to tell.
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| Of course they aspired to it - what would have been the furore on here had they said they would settle for mid-table and getting knocked out a few rounds before both final? "No ambition! Happy with mediocrity! Hang 'em high!" I hear you cry? Damned whatever they said, I'd reckon?
End of the day, possibly the most apposite post on this thread is is by "Bradfords Top Lad" above - All words, no action! See what Friday brings. I
If its more of the same, heaven forbid, and if we do not see a sharp improvement soon after, then you'd expect the only option left to the board would be to sack the coach. If things improved quickly afterwards, then those who have been calling for his head will say they are thus vindicated - and indeed they may be, since we'd never know if the improvement was coming anyway but it would be a bit hard to believe if it was. Of course, if things did not improve, then things would not look so good. But either way, if something does not improve soon then they'll be ripping up the existing financial forecasts anyway.
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| Quote: Wigan Bull "
As it stands now, 2 games in, it's a little too early to tell.'"
Yes in a word it is very early, however the past few seasons tell the real truth and while we can agree it's still early, the fact is they are not producing enough fuel to convince the crowds on the terraces they mean business.
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| Quote: anarkik "No but I'm quite happy to do so if you think they'll heed my advice
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