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BUT is he actually allowed to go to the VR to ask for clarification ??

Didnt he do that at cardiff in 2007 to award leeds that last minute penalty (obviously not for a high tackle) and he was incorrect for doing so ??

I though you could only use th VR for Tries and also checking how to restart the game ??

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Quote: tigertot "I cannot believe anyone is actually suggesting not making use of the VR in slowmo. Are you suggesting the same for tries, ball steals, knock-ons & offsides? Or jsut when it is to your benefit? Just because it was difficult or impossible to judge on the original TV viewing (a view Ganson never had BTW) doesn't mean justice shouldn't be done. Ganson had already called it before the replays from his position on the pitch & IMO would have walked him anyway. Were you on the Rodney King trial?'"



I don't think anyone is suggesting that. It's a genuine question. Have you ever seen a tackle in general play that has been referred to the video ref? Would this one have been had it not been in the process of scoring a try? So if the VR is now used (rightly maybe?) to judge the severity of a tackle, will it be used so in every game from now on?

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Quote: tigertot "I cannot believe anyone is actually suggesting not making use of the VR in slowmo. Are you suggesting the same for tries, ball steals, knock-ons & offsides? Or jsut when it is to your benefit? Just because it was difficult or impossible to judge on the original TV viewing (a view Ganson never had BTW) doesn't mean justice shouldn't be done. Ganson had already called it before the replays from his position on the pitch & IMO would have walked him anyway. Were you on the Rodney King trial?'"


The problem is this is the first time the VR has been asked about the severity of a high tackle - that we are aware of. To avoid accusations of bias, every ref who has access to the VR should now ask for slow-mo replay to establish the amount and severity of head contact in a high shot. If this is done then Bradford were just unlucky to be the first to fall foul of the new operational rules of the VR. If not then Silverwood has gone beyond his operational mandate just to screw us again

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Quote: Highlander "The problem is this is the first time the VR has been asked about the severity of a high tackle - that we are aware of. To avoid accusations of bias, every ref who has access to the VR should now ask for slow-mo replay to establish the amount and severity of head contact in a high shot. If this is done then Bradford were just unlucky to be the first to fall foul of the new operational rules of the VR. If not then Silverwood has gone beyond his operational mandate just to screw us again'"


And he gets another chance to screw us over again on the field this sunday icon_frustrated.gif

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Quote: Highlander "The problem is this is the first time the VR has been asked about the severity of a high tackle - that we are aware of. To avoid accusations of bias, every ref who has access to the VR should now ask for slow-mo replay to establish the amount and severity of head contact in a high shot. If this is done then Bradford were just unlucky to be the first to fall foul of the new operational rules of the VR. If not then Silverwood has gone beyond his operational mandate just to screw us again'"


I think that is a very fair point apart from the last sentence which just lowers it to the level of other paranoia. I would be amazed if that is the first time a VR has ever been asked to comment on the content of a possible illegal tackle, I never thought about it at the time but it is a very fair question which needs answering. As Debaser says, maybe it was only because it was a try scoring opportunity. If that is the case I think that would be daft.

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It does also highlight the more general problem of having games refereed differently depending on whether the cameras are there or not. I heard somewhere a few weeks back (think Justin Morgan commented on it) that Catalan always have a video ref. Sooner we move to that for everyone the sooner we can get better consistancy.

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Quote: pulsator2k7 "BUT is he actually allowed to go to the VR to ask for clarification ??

Didnt he do that at cardiff in 2007 to award leeds that last minute penalty (obviously not for a high tackle) and he was incorrect for doing so ??

I though you could only use th VR for Tries and also checking how to restart the game ??'"


cardiff was a bit different. ganson wasnt going to give the penalty until the video ref (klein) told him he should. ganson never asked for an opinion from the video ref so he shouldnt have got involved. This time ganson asked for an opinion. Whether thats allowed or not no one seems to know as the actual rules regarding the Video refs are ambigous/made up as they go along.

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Quote: jockabull "It does also highlight the more general problem of having games refereed differently depending on whether the cameras are there or not. I heard somewhere a few weeks back (think Justin Morgan commented on it) that Catalan always have a video ref. Sooner we move to that for everyone the sooner we can get better consistancy.'"


You reckon?

Compare and contrast vidref decisions when we play Leeds with those in any other game on TV?

Consistency? You're having a laugh!!

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Quote: mat "This time ganson asked for an opinion. Whether thats allowed or not no one seems to know as the actual rules regarding the Video refs are ambigous/made up as they go along.'"


I still believe they can only use the VR for tryscoring and restarting a game - never seen it being used for anything else to be honest !!!

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Quote: Adeybull "You reckon?

Compare and contrast vidref decisions when we play Leeds with those in any other game on TV?

Consistency? You're having a laugh!!'"


Well it won't get rid of that side of the inconsistancy but where I was coming from was more that not having the video ref available in all games means that they are refereed differently. How often do you see tries given/not given in games with no VR that should have gone upstairs? What happens when it gets to the VR, well yeh thats a different matter!

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Quote: jockabull "What happens when it gets to the VR, well yeh thats a different matter!'"


Indeed! Common sense and objectivity seemingly goes out of the window!

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Quote: jockabull "Well it won't get rid of that side of the inconsistancy but where I was coming from was more that not having the video ref available in all games means that they are refereed differently. How often do you see tries given/not given in games with no VR that should have gone upstairs? What happens when it gets to the VR, well yeh thats a different matter!'"


I think personally they should scrap the video ref altogether, this then would make the referee and the touch judges do there job, and also in growing some cahones to make a decision !!!

Surely that then would be more consistent ??

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Quote: tigertot "I think that is a very fair point apart from the last sentence which just lowers it to the level of other paranoia. I would be amazed if that is the first time a VR has ever been asked to comment on the content of a possible illegal tackle, I never thought about it at the time but it is a very fair question which needs answering. As Debaser says, maybe it was only because it was a try scoring opportunity. If that is the case I think that would be daft.'"



I honestly can not ever recall a referee asking a VR to rule on a tackle. Maybe others can?

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Quote: pulsator2k7 "I think personally they should scrap the video ref altogether, this then would make the referee and the touch judges do there job, and also in growing some cahones to make a decision !!!

Surely that then would be more consistent ??'"


You need to learn how to spell tehicles... icon_wink.gif

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