Is that what you call having Mr. Davy bankrolling the club year after year?

Yes. Within our means!

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You're a very bitter and ill informed person at times

And fwiw Town would have been toast a decade ago if it hadn't been for the Giants

I hope that the Bulls can rebuild themselves and get back to Superleague quickly.

Funny how the year 2000 slips your mind. Huddersfield-Sheffield anyone? Bankrolled by a sugar daddy too? Be hilarious if he pulled out. Well no it wouldn't because I wouldn't want to see any club go under. But you get my point. And to be fair at least we have trophies and memories (even if they are heartbreaking) to brag about.

1996 Challenge Cup Final - Robbie Hat-Trick
1997 Challenge Cup Final
1997 SUPER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS
1999 vs. Leeds - SL Record Attendance of 24,020.
1999 Grand Final - Wither's Knock On
2000 Challenge Cup Winners.
2001 Challenge Cup Final
2001 SUPER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS - one of the most dominant finals in SL history.
2002 World Club Champions
2002 Grand Final - Joynt Voluntary Tackle
2003 Challenge Cup Winners - Sinfield Not Taking 2.
2003 SUPER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS - Treble Champions Season (1st Club to achieve that).
2004 World Club Champions
2004 Grand Final
2005 SUPER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS
2006 World Club Champions

Not only that, we have seen the likes of Robbie and Henry Paul, Paul Deacon, The AWESOME FOURSOME, Vainikolo, Viakona, Naylor, Champagne Shontayne, Peacock, Burgess, Morrison, the legend that is the Beaver Steve Menzies and many more world class players grace the pitch of Odsal.

Now tell me again, even with a sugar daddy nowadays, what have you brought to the table? You struggled like a dying horse at the foot of the table in 1998, 1999, 2000 (even though you merged) and in 2001. Since then you have done nothing. Okay, I will give you two CC Final appearances, getting hammered in one. You're average attendance last year in SL was 5,422. Only in front of Wakefield (5,332) and Salford (3,630). To put it in perspective in our last year in SL, we knew we were going down, we knew we had a paper thin squad when the likes of Sammut, Carvell and Scruton left in pre-season and we knew admin loomed yet still managed to average 6,235.

All this without a sugar daddy. You are a joke of a club, you really are However in all seriousness, I do wish all Yorkshire teams to do well......even if I dare say it......Leeds I want the game of RL to prosper and have every game well attended with great rugby on show.

I'm as informed as I need to be. Any more than that is an extravagance.

The owners did. The club didn't. That post was a retaliation to FlyingProp. How can you not claim those achievements? New company fair enough. But even in 1963 when we were liquidated we still had the history from the early 1900's. Rangers FC were liquidated yet stated that the current club was founded in March 1872; 144 years ago. And still claim all the records and titles of the previous 'incarnation' so please spare me the moral high ground cr@p. If you haven't already read this forum, pretty much all of us are absolutely gutted about most of the creditors loosing out and we condemn the likes of Marc Green who did that. So what else do you want me to do? Stop supporting my team because a previous owner ripped people off? I don't see you getting irate about the likes of Google and Apple who fleece billions a year from the taxman or stop using their products? How about Giants fans stop coming on here and giving us grief if you aren't prepared to face the facts of your own club.

It's just frustrating that your fans are condemning our fans when the situation has nothing to do with us. We condemn it ourselves. Plus it really does take the biscuit when your club isn't so innocent itself. We are aware of the mistakes of the owners and us fans are paying for it by watching our club go from the pinnacle to the Championship (should have been League 1). And don't ever say you can't believe there are still Bradford fans like me. If it hadn't been for fans like me who stuck by the club and the team then there wouldn't be a Bradford team today. As I say I do not want to game to suffer or any club to go under. But the reality is those with sugar daddies are the ones who will suffer soon. Once those guys get bored or in Davy's case pass on. Where does your money come from? Your club especially hasn't taken note of Wigan or Leeds and become more self sustaining.

I can't believe there are still some Giants fans like you. I can you're a very bitter bunch. Not Halifax bitter but bitter none the less.

If we can't claim our history that means you lot definitely never played at Fartown so sort that chant out. You know the one you knocked off Huddersfield town and changed it to "we're Fartown". It's "we're don valley" and that doesn't work.

On the bright side it does mean you now can claim the 1998 challenge cup which was a great achievement. Much better than trying to claim the Carnegie nines or that thing against Batley and a couple of French teams in Barcelona are anything special.

However, it does mean you can't level the financial record at us. "We" didn't fleece anyone. We're a brand new club dumb . You contradicted yourself there so look a bit foolish.

How much did Ken bill himself when he transferred Giants' shares in the ground to another company he set up? Has he given/sold them back yet? Is his own company still based at the ground? Have town paid off the loan taken out while he was chairman to build more offices there?

I know he said he'd put them in to trust when he got found out just interested to see if it's happened.

By that logic your club sprang into existent as Hudds-Sheff. Anything before that is as dead as a dodo. What do you owe Sheffield?

I sometimes still think this way, tbh. I'm not alone though, as you clearly demonstrate, but I've got round it in my own mind by considering what goes on, in business, on a daily basis.

Large multi-nationals decide for themselves if they will, or won't pay many £multi millions of tax by using legal tax dodges. They follow the rules, as defined by HMG and they get away with the pretence that they haven't done any business in the UK. I don't agree with that either, btw and I suspect you probably don't either.

The one similarity between those companies and the Bulls is that when things happen and rules have to be followed, then they are followed. The rules about insolvency are laid down and they were followed - so we are where we are. If, as a country, we all feel so strongly that the insolvency rules need changing then let the government change them. Until that time we follow the rules we have. Which is what we did - so I'm not sure what your problem is.

If we'd come back on a so called pre-pack, I might have had more sympathy with your argument [even though that is also a perfectly legal device], but we didn't do that and those who let down the club [and the taxman, me, you and everyone else who pays taxes] have gone and there are new people at the helm now. They don't deserve your ire.

I think I do. I was sat behind a row of 5 or 6 young Huddersfield fans who kept looking enviously behind them at the throng of noisy Bradford fans at the back of the stand. The fact that we are subject to such ire when we are on our knees and on the brink of permanent oblivion demonstrates a key fact: Bradford are a massive club. This isn't arrogance; rather, it is an indictment of how bad fans of clubs like Huddersfield are at being smug, which must surely be rooted in a deep held inferiority complex. Now either Huddersfield has some serious parenting problems and accompanying self esteem issues, or fans have an acute awareness of their own irrelevance.

There are a few ways that this can be dealt with:

- Actually get some people through the door. It's not straightfoward but that would probably make it seem like people actually give a fsck.
- Have a prolonged period of success, which would have the added benefit of making Superleague less boring as a sporting narrative.
- Go about your business with dignity greater than someone turning up to a funeral laughing and eating popcorn.

Seriously, it's like there's an outbreak of undiagnosed Borderline Personality Disorder or something in Kirklees. The amount of whinging, pi$$ing, b1tch1ng, and moaning is amazing, and contrasts starkly with the sentiments of the Leeds, Saints, Wigan, and Leigh fans of the world, who have been almost entirely unwavering in their well wishing and support of a Bradford club on life support.

If you want your club to be considered a 'Big Club', act like it. You have nobody to blame but yourselves for your failings.

Ey up Bradford fans. Who was the lad wearing number 27? He was an absolute monster.... can we have him too? Good turnout from your lot yesterday, you would have outnumbered us had it not been for Brearleys comment!

Cheers pal. It was just good to be at a game. Beforehand I was afraid we'd get stuffed so to compete was a pleasant surprise.

Jon Magrin is the lad in number 27.

There was a little more aggro than I was expecting from a friendly. Which on many levels is a good thing for us. In a competitive game, need to be careful with penalties though.

Mellor was involved a bit, but he's needing to stand out at a new club, so that's his excuse.
Danny Brough. Enough said, he could start an argument in an empty room.
Our number 13, he seemed a bit argumentative as well, and Mendieka.

I thought the tackle with Peltier where he was lifted and speared to the ground was the dangerous one, but the ref saw it & was happy so heigh ho.

Lots to be positive with.

Thank you sir. I thought Magrin was probably the stand out player for both sides, he has some size and leg drive and it took 3 men to bring him down every drive. Is he another academy product?