FORUMS FORUMS



  
FORUMS > Bradford Bulls > craig kopczak terminated his bulls contract!
202 posts in 14 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin
RankPostsTeam
International Chairman14145No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200123 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2020Oct 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: TheOmen "Excellent, reasoned reply'"


Thanks for that, and for not jumping down my throat. Fully understand now the point you were seeking to make, and without a doubt yes, the legal form etc is something many very small businesses should not really be expected to have to deal with. In this case, no there was nothing whatsoever untoward as I think you recognise, but yes I have seen examples where unscrupulous businessmen have seemingly sought to confuse their trading partners with entity names. So I think it is perfectly fair for you to emphasise the point.

And it is not just the very small businesses that get confused. At one of my last companies, wearing my credit management hat (one of several dozen...) early doors I indentified several customers where we had insured credit limits, in two cases over £1m, where (sometime previously) in each case entity A had sold the business to new entity B, with a similar-sounding name. But it transpired we still had insured credit limits on Entities A, which were now dormant, whereas Entities B owed us a shedload...and we had no insurance on them at all! Just as well I fixed it, since one of the Entity Bs went belly-up a year after I left. OK, its not quite the same point you were making, but its from the same stable - beware dealing with company B, when you THINK you are dealing with company A!

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach850No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 200520 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jan 2014Jul 2013LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Paul T - HKR "Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't it the inability to service the cost of player's contracts that caused the club to go into administration?

And now the newco has taken on those very same players contracts and with less SKY money to service them!

It beggars the question(s), does the newco have the means to service a salary cap of (say) £1m next season or has the exercise (as I suspect) of transfering over contracts been a means to enable them to asset strip by selling players? I think Kopczak's decision (and the Hull FC defeat) speaks volumes. The price of each player shot up after the sale and those who didn't opt out of TUPE may now face even more uncertainty and the likelihood of being asked to reduce their contract values if they stay.

Of course, I am ssuming the newco isn't cash rich. I base this assumption on how the buy-out of £250,000 (of the oldco) is in 2 instalments. It hardly suggests the new owners have loadz of cash, does it. I reckon a number of Bulls players will regret not opting out. They still have the opportunity to do so - a good employment lawyer can use mitigating circumstances and the fact all of the players were given permission to seek new clubs by the administrator prior to the club being sold. Those players who signed notional deals with other clubs will be well within their rights to leave (as far as I am aware).'"



we have 17 of our current squad out of contract at the end of NOvember come what may. Already Jeffries, Sibbit and Burgess have confirmed that they wont be staying! the fans are under no illusion that next years squad will be smaller and/or less good than this one (which finished 2 points above your team after a deduction unlike any seen in SL before!)

the point here isnt to do with servicing the player salaries (which was done thanks to advances in monies from the RFL, which the newco will have to forgo!) its about transfering players contracts. Kopzcak's timing showed a lack of respect for his team mates and the club as a whole! As far as i understand, only the out of contract players were told to find new clubs as Guilfoyle knew that the only real assets the club had was its younger players on multi year contracts, such as Kopzcak!

RankPostsTeam
Moderator10969
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 200223 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jan 2023Jun 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED

Moderator


Got to say I feel very disappointed in Koppy, but if that's kind of guy he really is then we're better without him. Feel for the other players though, where it seems the news hasn't gone down too well. In hard times, I guess you need to know who your friends are. Hope Huddersfield have an 'interesting' season next time round.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach12310
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Feb 2023Feb 2023LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Been away and shocked to read this! Can't blame anyone for leaving after all this, but atm it feels like he's let his teammates down and the fans too.

He's not irreplaceable, but it's always difficult to see home grown talent leave.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach5813No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 201015 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Apr 2022Mar 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



You can't really blame him for wanting to move and secure his own future, however the timing and how it's been handled is a little dissapointing and I can see how people feel let down, especially by a local lad

RankPostsTeam
International Star1704
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 201113 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2023Dec 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



The RFL opened the can of worms with contracted players when Blake Solly said all players could seek to start negotiations if the SLE bid was accepted. it would be very hard to prove if/when a contracted player was actually approached by another club.......Not another long drawn out battle in which the only winners are the lawyers raking it in whilst The RFL and clubs fight amongst themselves again.....

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach3213
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: pie.warrior "The RFL opened the can of worms with contracted players when Blake Solly said all players could seek to start negotiations if the SLE bid was accepted. it would be very hard to prove if/when a contracted player was actually approached by another club.......Not another long drawn out battle in which the only winners are the lawyers raking it in whilst The RFL and clubs fight amongst themselves again.....'"


Fortunately at no point was the SLE bid accepted, so no contracted players were given permission to negotiate.

Interestingly, Koppy will be the only Bulls player to not get paid for Sept/Oct - unless his new club makes him the assistant groundsman for that time - as the registration period for the 2012 season has now passed.

I would assume that once players accept this months wage (on the 14th) they could not then decline to be transferred?

From the Rangers perspective - Mr Green is fighting some players transfers as he believes it was too late after the TUPE. It's all about the registrations now for them. Some clubs like Everton (naismith) have paid up an acceptable transfer fee just to stay out of it.

I wonder how the RFL will rule on Koppy's registration? Or will a deal be done behind closed doors?

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach30348
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 200718 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: juliebull "TUPE Regulations state. 'If your conditions of work have been worsened by the transfer , you have the right to terminate your contract and claim unfair dismissal on the grounds that actions of the employer have forced you to resign. You cannot make this type of claim solely on the grounds that the identity of their employer has changed unless that change is significant and to your detriment;'

Given the above it could be an interesting legal debate.'"

Is he claiming unfair dismissal? My understanding of the TUPE regs is that you can walk away from your employment contract and not take up the new employment should you not wish to work for the new employer. Don't think anyone can be compelled to work for the new company. Surely this is exactly the same situation as rangers?

RankPostsTeam
Moderator10969
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 200223 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jan 2023Jun 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED

Moderator


Quote: Jake the Peg "Is he claiming unfair dismissal? My understanding of the TUPE regs is that you can walk away from your employment contract and not take up the new employment should you not wish to work for the new employer. Don't think anyone can be compelled to work for the new company. Surely this is exactly the same situation as rangers?'"

My understanding is that if you don't wish to work for your new employer you have the right to end the contract of employment, this, afaik, is one sided, and doesn't apply to a new employer, who is obliged to accept all the contracted employees.

It's disappointing though, unless he had been told there is to be a change to his contract it seems a bit like taking advantage of the situation and I'm not surprised team mates are a bit miffed.

RankPostsTeam
International Star1934No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
May 201114 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2023Mar 2023LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



According to someone on the T and A site Blake Solly said this in the RLE today,
"It appears that Craig may have been approached by another club while under contract to Bradford and we are going to have to investigate. We would naturally try to uphold Craigs existing registration and contract, and if we find that an illegal approach was made, the RFL directors have the power to refuse to register any new contract."

RankPostsTeam
International Star187No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 201212 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Mar 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



We are fortunate that in the background we have people who are or have been associated with the club who are experienced in long protracted expensive legal battles, have represented young academy products seeking employment elsewhere and who, by all accounts, have newly found time on their hands.

Must agree with Duckman - How could anything possibly go wrong.

RankPostsTeam
International Chairman6038No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 200223 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Mar 2017Feb 2017LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Not an expert on the legalities but it does seem to me to be unreasonable to expect players to commit to being TUPE'd until the decision on whether we stay in SL is taken.

RankPostsTeam
International Star1722No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 201014 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Dec 2018Oct 2017LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



I predict 1 problem will be that Bulls will have no argument re Kopout's contract terminating, but his registration should be rightfully transferred to the new company. If another club would like this registration, they should pay. The registration is an asset that belongs to OK Bulls.

I was interested to see what his team mates thought about his decision, and Whitehead's interview does show that they are as disappointed as the fans. Not that he's actually left, but he didn't have the decency to tell anyone face to face.

All those saying that he's only looking after his family, I don't really buy into that. He had a secure contract for the next 2 years. That' s a lot more security than the players like Hargreaves and Sammut have. With all the OOC players leaving, i suspect the new owners will be keen to tie down the future stars to long term contracts, on better salaries.

mat
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach9554
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Cibaman "Not an expert on the legalities but it does seem to me to be unreasonable to expect players to commit to being TUPE'd until the decision on whether we stay in SL is taken.'"

not sure our SL status is really relevant as if we do lose our SL place all contracts are void anyway. Only thing they lose by agreeing to be tupe'd is ability to sign for another club before our SL status is clarified.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach653No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 200915 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Dec 2018Aug 2018LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: M@islebugs "According to someone on the T and A site Blake Solly said this in the RLE today,
"It appears that Craig may have been approached by another club while under contract to Bradford and we are going to have to investigate. We would naturally try to uphold Craigs existing registration and contract, and if we find that an illegal approach was made, the RFL directors have the power to refuse to register any new contract."'"


If Blake Solly said that he is either an idiot or simply giving empty quotes to the paper. Refusing to register a Contract would be a restraint of trade - there is well known legal precedent, commonly known as The Bosman ruling.

I suspect it is an empty quote, he doesn't seem to be doing much about Cas' complaints over Hull's statements re Chase.

202 posts in 14 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin
202 posts in 14 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


8.23583984375:5
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
24m
Spirit of the Rhinos
batleyrhino
5
Recent
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
40791
Recent
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
63259
Recent
Film game
Wanderer
5734
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
27s
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
chapylad
2607
1m
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
63259
1m
Transfer Talk V5
Jack Burton
508
1m
Rumours and signings v9
[Gareth]
28897
1m
2025 Recruitment
Rattler13
204
2m
Spirit of the Rhinos
batleyrhino
5
2m
Fixtures 2025
Bull Mania
4
3m
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
MjM
21
4m
Ground Improvements
Trojan Horse
188
4m
How many games will we win
Trojan Horse
36
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Salary Cap Changes Blocked - 11 votes to 1
Bent&Bon
6
TODAY
Fixtures 2025
Bull Mania
4
TODAY
Spirit of the Rhinos
batleyrhino
5
TODAY
Mike Ogunwole
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Bailey Dawson
Wanderer
1
TODAY
2024
REDWHITEANDB
14
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
Trojan Horse
36
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
Bent&Bon
6
TODAY
Catalan Away
Dannyboywt1
6
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
karetaker
52
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
TODAY
Leeds away first up
FIL
50
TODAY
Jake McLoughlin
Wanderer
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
1041
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
636
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1363
England's Women Demolish The W..
1193
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1430
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
1211
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1473
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
2011
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2224
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2462
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
2025
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2269
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2734
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
2158
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
2235