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| I'd be pretty annoyed as a player if the rules prevented me getting a salary increase YoY....
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| Quote: Asim "Whereas you've excelled yourself with being taken in by someone who made you feel special and played to your sense of self-importance.
I specifically referred to a post about making people redundant by saying exactly what would happen if the administrators made players redundant to "save money" rather than the coach (as had been suggested).
Of course you need more than players to run a club, who suggested otherwise? If by some way some funds are found to enable the game to be put on this Sunday it certainly wouldn't be possible if a player has been made redundant as the group, and if not, the players union will make sure the rest wouldn't think about going to work.'"
Which is really strange, since I think I have actually spoken to Hood about four times in the last few years, two of which have been this year, and he has certainly done nothing of what you suggest in those few limited conversations. Like I said, you don't half talk a load of bollox.
You, by contrast, have consistently pedalled a line to undermine pretty well anything the club did that was in any way positive, and have forever sided with those who would be critical of the club.
I'll say no more on it - it would be even more of an insult to those who have lost their jobs today.
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| Quote: Ewwenorfolk "Quote: Ewwenorfolk " Players may be offered deals on very low terms for the remainder of this season and then significant increases for the remainder of their new contracts at whichever clubs are interested.
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Isn't there something in the rules about that?
Might be imagining it but I thought you couldn't pay them more year on year?'"
For salary cap purposes, a player's total earning are averaged out over the term of his contract. He can have yearly increases, but they will count for the cap over his total contract.
This means that players would only sign until the end of the year, on low wages, with a nod and a winked at an extended, improved contract for next year. I remember the Rhinos doing this for Smith when he came back.
Full of perils for both sides.
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| Quote: Ewwenorfolk "Quote: Ewwenorfolk " Players may be offered deals on very low terms for the remainder of this season and then significant increases for the remainder of their new contracts at whichever clubs are interested.
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Isn't there something in the rules about that?
Might be imagining it but I thought you couldn't pay them more year on year?'"
For salary cap purposes, a player's total earning are averaged out over the term of his contract. He can have yearly increases, but they will count for the cap over his total contract.
This means that players would only sign until the end of the year, on low wages, with a nod and a winked at an extended, improved contract for next year. I remember the Rhinos doing this for Smith when he came back.
Full of perils for both sides.
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| Quote: bewareshadows "Well I can only assume that the why, is because they are not wanted by someone else. My point is more about BG. He could have held onto them unpaid like you say, but then that someone else would maybe step back rather than step in and let the club liquidate.
BG needs the money, he may be a foil to do the dirty work of others, but then so would any administrator, but in the end last week, this week or on the last day of administration he needs money. If there is only one person with the cash, he needs to do what he needs to do, to get his hands on that cash. As would any other person in his position.
CC may have planned this, but there seams little sign that anyone else has a challenge to offer. If there were other investors, then if they could better CC, then surely the administrator is creditor bound to take that offer. CC maybe the only man to stop the liquidation?
I admit I'm out of my depth on the whole in's and out's of this process, but what I do think I understand is that if there was an offer or a better offer on the table then it could not be ignored.'"
Basically mate, it cl;ears the decks of employment liabilities. That means that a buyer can take over what is left of the going concern free of any inherited employment liabilities.
But the thing is...if you buy a business and inherit staff who are TUPEd over, you invariably reflect those accrued liabilities in the (lower, as a result) purchase price anyway.
So it generally tends not to cost you any more whichever way you do it.
The difference is that, done this way, the administrator is the bad guy, not the subsequent buyer. And the buyer can then re-recruit any of the people he wants, instead of getting rid of those he does not want through a redundancy process fraught with pitfalls and exposures for the employer.
In other words, is it about saving money? Or is it about presenting a clean sheet to a buyer?
In all of this, of course, it is pretty crap if you are one of the affected employees and are referred to by all the money men as a "liability". One reason I got the hell out of corporate insolvency when I did, years ago, was because I could not reconcile myself to people, with families and livelihoods, being treated as just numbered liabilities.
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| Quote: Adeybull "You, by contrast, have consistently pedalled a line to undermine pretty well anything the club did that was in any way positive, and have forever sided with those who would be critical of the club.'"
Yes, what a fool I feel for being critical of a regime that has led the club to the verge of being liquidated.
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| Quote: Asim "Yes, what a fool I feel for being critical of a regime that has led the club to the verge of being liquidated.'"
I said the club. Not the regime. You have regularly been critical of things that have been nothing to do do with the regime, and have taken the side of those criticising the club - it seemed almost as if you had to take issue on principle. But enough, as I said.
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| As an outsider watching with interest as an RL fan what has happened at the Bulls over the last few months, I can't help but feel that the two choices the Adminstrator may have are between a well meaning but incompetent Hood, and a malevolent Caisley.
Not an ideal choice.
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| Potter's interview on Sky;
IMO, the impression he was giving was that he had spoke to people who admitted they were interested in taking over the Bulls, but they were having trouble getting in touch with the administrator.......
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| Can't help thinking that Potter is being conveniently removed because Hood appointed him. The fact that Potter's becoming something of a success at Bradford must irk Caisley even more...
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| I'm hoping that Caisley isn't sly/evil enough to be anything to do with this, but I just can't shake off the horrible feeling that Caisley doesn't want Hood's coach when he takes over.
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| I hope everything can be resolved for the Bulls as soon as possible and you come back bigger and better.
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| Quote: Adeybull "Basically mate, it cl;ears the decks of employment liabilities. That means that a buyer can take over what is left of the going concern free of any inherited employment liabilities.
But the thing is...if you buy a business and inherit staff who are TUPEd over, you invariably reflect those accrued liabilities in the (lower, as a result) purchase price anyway.
So it generally tends not to cost you any more whichever way you do it.
The difference is that, done this way, the administrator is the bad guy, not the subsequent buyer. And the buyer can then re-recruit any of the people he wants, instead of getting rid of those he does not want through a redundancy process fraught with pitfalls and exposures for the employer.
In other words, is it about saving money? Or is it about presenting a clean sheet to a buyer?
In all of this, of course, it is pretty crap if you are one of the affected employees and are referred to by all the money men as a "liability". One reason I got the hell out of corporate insolvency when I did, years ago, was because I could not reconcile myself to people, with families and livelihoods, being treated as just numbered liabilities.'"
Thanks
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| Been a long term Leeds fan, hate the bulls. But hope they survive and come back and give us our good derby's back.
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| Quote: illy "Been a long term Leeds fan, hate the bulls. '"
Why?
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