Only Bradford born because his Dad (a music hall performer at the time) was playing the Bradford Alhambra on the same night.
And if you want to know why there is a restaurant at the DW Stadium called "Rigaletto's" it's because it's named after his dad's stage name...Tony Rigaletto.

I assume the Under 5s free is age and not IQ, otherwise they might be giving away a lot of free tickets.

That is the implication of the statement. Administration protects the business from winding up, for a period. On the other hand it may be a way for the prospective investors to get the club unencumbered with the HMRC threat. Clearly there is enough of a dispute for the court to adjourn twice, but it now sounds as if the Bulls case is about to unwind, no pun intended. So the outcome in terms of points deducted cannot as yet be determined, because if we come out of admin with all creditors paid off, why should there be the same penalty as coming out off admin with only a % paid off,

El Tel, you are not going to change my mind: It is wonderful that a town like Leigh has a sugardaddy willing to support their towns club, we have not and that is a pain.

6pts as opposed to 12pts

It’d be interesting to know how much debt there is. I expect the HMRC to be in the region of about £200k-250k. Green’s put himself in the list of creditors too (which makes me feel that he’s on his way), then there’s the various other bills that won’t have been paid. Could be the thick end of £750k+. Would a new investor want to lumber himself with that for the sake of 6 league points? That said 12 points is a fair penalty if no debt is paid off. Unfortunately as we know admin is never a quick process. Potential buyers (if there are any) will need to do full diligence checks and that could take time. If we get out of this with a mere 6 point deduction I’ll be amazed. This bloke might be our saviour. He has a good record at City, not sure about his plans for Odsal, think any BMDC input is going to be unlikely. www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... Bulls_bid/

It’d be interesting to know how much debt there is. I expect the HMRC to be in the region of about £200k-250k. Green’s put himself in the list of creditors too (which makes me feel that he’s on his way), then there’s the various other bills that won’t have been paid. Could be the thick end of £750k+. Would a new investor want to lumber himself with that for the sake of 6 league points? That said 12 points is a fair penalty if no debt is paid off. Unfortunately as we know admin is never a quick process. Potential buyers (if there are any) will need to do full diligence checks and that could take time. If we get out of this with a mere 6 point deduction I’ll be amazed. This bloke might be our saviour. He has a good record at City, not sure about his plans for Odsal, think any BMDC input is going to be unlikely. www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... Bulls_bid/

I still want to know what the VAT dispute is in relation to. I can't think of any source of income the club might have had where we could even begin to dispute the VAT treatment of it, it boggles my mind.

If we really are looking at debts of £750k then how could anyone get it so wrong? Whatever happened to running this club like a business? I mean, in this season just gone we actually had a decent level of central funding, season ticket sales were around the same as 2014, all our major sponsors were still on board - I can't really think of anything that could have thrown a spanner in the works as far as cashflow forecasts are concerned.
And before anyone suggests the Fev result or our final league position - that can't be it. Yes the drop in gate receipts from the playoff games will have hurt but not to this extent. The reduced central funding issue hasn't even kicked in yet - that's for 2017 if we make it that far!

Just baffling. We've had to suffer through a (seemingly) endless succession of owners who are just incapable of running the Bulls with even a hint of competence.

Quote Bullseye="Bullseye"It’d be interesting to know how much debt there is. I expect the HMRC to be in the region of about £200k-250k. Green’s put himself in the list of creditors too (which makes me feel that he’s on his way), then there’s the various other bills that won’t have been paid. Could be the thick end of £750k+. Would a new investor want to lumber himself with that for the sake of 6 league points? That said 12 points is a fair penalty if no debt is paid off. Unfortunately as we know admin is never a quick process. Potential buyers (if there are any) will need to do full diligence checks and that could take time. If we get out of this with a mere 6 point deduction I’ll be amazed. This bloke might be our saviour. He has a good record at City, not sure about his plans for Odsal, think any BMDC input is going to be unlikely. www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... Bulls_bid/'" I would take a guess it's more like a million pounds, the last set of filed accounts showed they lost £756k, plus the £200-£250k to HMRC plus other creditors and then GREEN. I think Lawn would be a good choice, very good business knowledge, he turned Bradford City around.

Quote Bullseye="Bullseye"It’d be interesting to know how much debt there is. I expect the HMRC to be in the region of about £200k-250k. Green’s put himself in the list of creditors too (which makes me feel that he’s on his way), then there’s the various other bills that won’t have been paid. Could be the thick end of £750k+. Would a new investor want to lumber himself with that for the sake of 6 league points? That said 12 points is a fair penalty if no debt is paid off. Unfortunately as we know admin is never a quick process. Potential buyers (if there are any) will need to do full diligence checks and that could take time. If we get out of this with a mere 6 point deduction I’ll be amazed. This bloke might be our saviour. He has a good record at City, not sure about his plans for Odsal, think any BMDC input is going to be unlikely. www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... Bulls_bid/'" I would take a guess it's more like a million pounds, the last set of filed accounts showed they lost £756k, plus the £200-£250k to HMRC plus other creditors and then GREEN. I think Lawn would be a good choice, very good business knowledge, he turned Bradford City around.

Was tempted by the Giants season ticket deal, but then I thought if I ever fancy watching half of their 2017 squad underperform, I'll watch an old Bradford match from the past few years.

Think there was a lot of mistakes made in 2015. Look at the money wasted on players. Control over recruitment seemed to spiral out of control. Green, Ferres and Lowes can take the blame for that.

The HMRC on VAT is easier to understand than if it was on National Insurance. Plenty of people on here have experience of this and reckon that this happens a lot in business. Unfortunately we’re too skint to be able to pay it off and claim it back later when a compromise figure is agreed. Where the disagreement comes from I don’t know. I seem to remember Hood and Bennett has a similar issue and were found out in the same way. Either way we owe them and unless it’s paid off it’ll be a 12 point deduction – IF we still have a club.

The other debts are a grey area. I’m not sure what Green thinks he’s owed. He obviously is aiming to get some money back. There will be a lot of other businesses that are owed money too. My figure of £750k was a pure guess. It may be half that, it may be more.

The ground situation doesn’t give us much flexibility either. The place is a giant iconic millstone.

The VAT situation is straight forward, As a club a season ticket is is taxable (VAT) but Green has been selling a membership, a membership isn't taxable. But if you are a member of a club (Like a golf club, you own a % of the club, even if its 0.01% of the club) This then gives you voting right's of what goes on at the club. Green hasn't been offering this, so in turn he has been selling a Season ticket and not a membership. Which explains the big difference in the amount of VAT we owe.

I should also make the comment, this is what i have been told second hand - I don't have any proof, but does sound very likely.

As for Mark Lawn, his name cropped up in both of our previous Administrations. Both times he was in the T&A offering to buy the club, and both times he didn't. I'd be interested to know why?

If I recall, he wasn't actually that interested last time - his bid was more of a 'if nobody else buys the club, then I'll buy it rather than see it go to the wall'. Since then he's actually sold Bradford City to other people, so perhaps he has more time and interest this time around, who knows?

He's quite open that he doesn't know anything much about Rugby, but he does seem to know how to turn around a failing sporting club in Bradford!

Why is it so many people involved in running sports clubs have a very poor grasp of accounting?

If the membership/subscription thing is true it's a ruddy scandal.