Not posted for years. Can’t access my old account anyway. ( hence the “2” addendum) As a former lottery manager I can tell you the penalties for running an unlicensed lottery ranges from a £ 5000 fine to 12 months imprisonment. So will get fined.

Also reading back at the posts I do not believe this was what the poster nestegg was referring to. ( believe me.... I’d have picked up on it!)

Thoughts on fogerty? We may not have a massive squad but there’s a growing list of shareholders

Quote bringbackjimmy="bringbackjimmy"This from the T & A website this morning. Positive news at last perhaps ? https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/ ... agreement/'" After 134 pages I just thought I'd quote the OP

Quote bringbackjimmy="bringbackjimmy"This from the T & A website this morning. Positive news at last perhaps ? https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/ ... agreement/'" After 134 pages I just thought I'd quote the OP

At least we have a shareholder that could put his boots on if needed. Can't remember which film he was in but don't think he will have Russel Crowe's money.

Is Wood just bringing on board everyone who played for Fax when he was CEO. Gary Mercer can come do the lottery, and John Schuster can do a spot of light admin.

Well, we do need more props....

In our last post dated 13 November we said that and we quote .... "[iunless it proves to be absolutely necessary we will not post[/i (on this forum) [ifor a while[/i".



Given the peculiar and distracting events of the past 24 hours or so re this so called lottery matter as reported in the Guardian, albeit only online, then we felt that it may be helpful to set the record straight about a few things:



1) The article is in effect not the so called wide ranging 'smoking gun' to which we have referred to in the past.



2) Moreover, said online Guardian article, when linked to their historic article dated 3 January 2017, is regrettably (re a few key points) somewhat vague and non-specific. The two articles when combined are in part factually incorrect, in particular re events that occurred in respect of the RFL and a related (inaccurate) press statement the RFL (or Nigel Wood) released to the press and media on 3 January 2017. Up until recently we had though highly of the Guardian, and on balance we still manitain that they are for the main part reliable. Sadly, however, said newspaper has for years promulgated a key piece of mis-information re a Bulls' timeline chronology covering the club's past 7-8 year period. Journalists have had almost three years to correct the blatant error that was made by the RFL on 3 January 2017. Why have they not done so? Don't ask us - we are not journalists.



3) That is all we have to say at this time in respect of this apparently unhelpful distraction.



We hope (but sadly do not anticipate) that the above 'statement' will bring an end to the plethora of idle speculation and rumour surrounding this current virtual non-story.



Whilst posting may we affirm that 'we' are NOT operating on any other social media. This excellent forum is the only vehicle we require to project certain key messages to those who may allegedly be ruining our great club, and/or gradually leading the wider UK public, and key investors, to seriously question the credibility and governance of the sport of Rugby League.



Anyhow, enough of the lottery 'story' current nonsense, we need to get back to 'walking the walk'.

You can't remember Fogerty's film, I'm surprised- here's a clue.

And THAT is how important WE ARE HERE!



But seriously, if none of those people read this, your posts are going to be shown as an enormous waste of time and effort.



If I thought I was able enough to run a professional rugby club, I would [udefinitely[/u make my approach to the current owners through an independent, unaffiliated forum (filled with supporters that I have p!$$ed off).



That is exactly how the banking crisis got averted, I hear.

Im glad you took my advice after you PM'd me and posted on here to set the record straight.

Yawn, ZZZzzzzzz

Laughable and ironic that Pestegg is basically calling out idle speculation

Is anyone still paying attention to the rubbish they are posting?.

LAs are only responsible for registering 'small' lotteries, the rules under which they are allowed to operate (contained in The Gambling Act 2005) are enforced by the Gambling Commission. Government Agencies are not renowned for being pragmatic.....

No. Just let him waste his time so we can laugh at him. Has he stopped posting again - until the next time he posts.

So how is a small lottery defined? Where does the Big One sit?

I'm ignorant, so can you point out what this error is, please?

Also, what is the smoking gun you are forever eluding to?

Your posts seem to be much a do about nothing, rather than a tempest.

A 'small' lottery is one that has less than £20k of tickets for sale and which has annual proceeds of no more than £250k and needs only to be registered with the LA. For 'large' lotteries a Gambling Commission licence is required. From the limited information that has come out it would appear that the Big One is a small lottery.

So in that case it will be handled by the LA?

No the LA's role is merely to register small lotteries - the Gambling Commission assign this role to them. All gambling is overseen and regulated by the GA following the rules contained within the Gambling Act. Government Agencies will almost always prosecute if you break the rules for a number of reasons including not being seen to be favouring an organisation, the agency, departments and individuals within it will have targets for prosecutions and to raise money for the government. If and when it goes to court the judge may apply discretion to any punishment imposed but it's a fairly serious offence to operate an unlicenced gambling operation (including a lottery) with a max punishment of 51 weeks imprisonment and a fine.

But who would be punished if a case such as ours where to end up before the judge?



The Organisation

The Head Honcho

His Manager in Charge



?

I'd guess whoever is named as the 'promotor' or failing anyone being named the head honcho. Worth noting that both promoting and facilitating a non registered lottery carry the same maximum punishment (51 weeks jail) so potentially multiple offences. Any money collected during the period may possibly be viewed as criminal gains and need to be repaid.

For the sake of a 20 quid admin fee it would seem heavy handed to impose big penalties for this, when the club have been running the lottery for years anyway. Unless of course a license was applied for and rejected.

And there's the rub. Unfortunately someone through laziness or incompetence is likely going to suffer the consequences. Crimes against the 'exchequer' have always attracted more severe punishments than you might expect......

According to my Big 1 membership card it's Robbie Hunter Paul. but whether he is now??