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Quote: Sensei-Bull "Nobody's blaming Green? '"



The OP is about lack of investment. The club has had plenty of investment. Unfortunately it's been largely wasted.

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Quote: Greg Florimos Boots "If its any consolation you probably helped another Championship club out by them making the top 4 as Fev face yet another winding up order.'"


One of the blokes I was speaking to on the way out mentioned something along those lines.

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Quote: David Tasker "This is where the mess started in my opinion. no investment to keep us in super league and added with the mismanagement of Ferres and Hunter Paul we only have ourselves to blame. Interesting article from Ross today that green is in Ibiza and hasn't told the players or rohan anything. I hope the Rumours on twitter about him liquidating the club due to lack of funds are not true.

As a 'new' member to the board, who has racked up a significant number of posts in a few days, I'll be interested to find out your actual agenda.

You've gone to pinning everything on Marc Green within 50 posts. If that doesn't suggest you're insidiously trying to destabilise the club (albeit through a very small demographic on here), then I don't know what does.

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Quote: Stul "As a 'new' member to the board, who has racked up a significant number of posts in a few days, I'll be interested to find out your actual agenda.

You've gone to pinning everything on Marc Green within 50 posts. If that doesn't suggest you're insidiously trying to destabilise the club (albeit through a very small demographic on here), then I don't know what does.'"


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Quote: Bull Mania "The OP is about lack of investment. The club has had plenty of investment. Unfortunately it's been largely wasted.'"


I had to go back and read that again. Yeah, ignore that as it's bollox. Lack of investment by anybody at the club wasn't the reason we were relegated.

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Quote: David Tasker "This is where the mess started in my opinion. no investment to keep us in super league and added with the mismanagement of Ferres and Hunter Paul we only have ourselves to blame. '"


Not sure what Green could have really done to keep us in Super League as he'd taken over after the season started, we’d been hammered by a points deduction and there were hardly many candidates for players to bring in to turn it round. The writing was on the wall before the ink was dry on his paperwork to take over.

I will agree that he has been badly misguided on some aspects – the willingness was there, I don’t think he’s exactly penny pinched but he’s hardly splashed the cash either. That for me started with the appointment of Lowes. When Cummins got the boot, morale was fantastically low (something we now describe as the status quo). There were strong rumours of Noble coming back at the time – as I guess there always will be – but for me Jimmy was Nobby on a budget. A hark back to the good old days to get the feel good factor back. Now whoever advised Green that Lowes was a good appointment – to me did seem like a bit of a “jobs for the boys” move – started a snowball of bad decisions as we were told recently that recruitment was then a three way decision process between Green, Ferres and Lowes. I think we’re pretty much agreed recruitment was poor and lead us to this position. To me, I don’t think Green was out scouting the Aussie reserve grade, so we have to assume Ferres and Lowes brought the players to Green’s attention and he’d rubber stamp them. That’s the willingness, but he’s rubber stamped the wrong stuff and been left with no margin for error. I don’t think it’s a lack of “investment” – it’s a lack of investment in the right thing. A hard act to balance, I’ll admit.

What the club need to do now, is let people know what is going on. To read that article that AOB and the players don’t know what’s happening in 2017 is a tad disgraceful. We can’t move forward from one of the most disastrous results in the history of the club because Green is on holiday! Fine, well Ferres is still there, and I’m not suggesting the club isn’t working non stop behind the scenes, but there has been not an official word from the Bulls at all since the final hooter on Sunday. Even a placeholder of “We’ll announce something later this week” would be preferable to this silence. A huge slice of honesty is needed right now, I’ve always thought of Green as a particularly honest bloke and it’s nothing less than the fans deserve after this shambles of a season.

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Quote: amberavenger "This is where the mess started in my opinion. no investment to keep us in super league and added with the mismanagement of Ferres and Hunter Paul we only have ourselves to blame. '"


Not sure what Green could have really done to keep us in Super League as he'd taken over after the season started, we’d been hammered by a points deduction and there were hardly many candidates for players to bring in to turn it round. The writing was on the wall before the ink was dry on his paperwork to take over.

I will agree that he has been badly misguided on some aspects – the willingness was there, I don’t think he’s exactly penny pinched but he’s hardly splashed the cash either. That for me started with the appointment of Lowes. When Cummins got the boot, morale was fantastically low (something we now describe as the status quo). There were strong rumours of Noble coming back at the time – as I guess there always will be – but for me Jimmy was Nobby on a budget. A hark back to the good old days to get the feel good factor back. Now whoever advised Green that Lowes was a good appointment – to me did seem like a bit of a “jobs for the boys” move – started a snowball of bad decisions as we were told recently that recruitment was then a three way decision process between Green, Ferres and Lowes. I think we’re pretty much agreed recruitment was poor and lead us to this position. To me, I don’t think Green was out scouting the Aussie reserve grade, so we have to assume Ferres and Lowes brought the players to Green’s attention and he’d rubber stamp them. That’s the willingness, but he’s rubber stamped the wrong stuff and been left with no margin for error. I don’t think it’s a lack of “investment” – it’s a lack of investment in the right thing. A hard act to balance, I’ll admit.

What the club need to do now, is let people know what is going on. To read that article that AOB and the players don’t know what’s happening in 2017 is a tad disgraceful. We can’t move forward from one of the most disastrous results in the history of the club because Green is on holiday! Fine, well Ferres is still there, and I’m not suggesting the club isn’t working non stop behind the scenes, but there has been not an official word from the Bulls at all since the final hooter on Sunday. Even a placeholder of “We’ll announce something later this week” would be preferable to this silence. A huge slice of honesty is needed right now, I’ve always thought of Green as a particularly honest bloke and it’s nothing less than the fans deserve after this shambles of a season.'"


the original point I was trying to make was that when green took over the reinforcements to help Francis cummins he promised didn't appear. Instead as you rightly point out in such a great post is that there has been investment but it's been mismanaged and wasted on signing the wrong calibre of player. Someone at odsal has to accept responsibility be it green or Ferres. Not making the top four is unforgivable and the people who have got us where we are say nothing. a wall of silence has gone up around the place and the suooorters , players as stake holders in the club deserve so much better.

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Marc Greens only problem is that he's been guided by Ferres with regards to the playing side, and this year Ferres has let him and the Club down in my opinion, and I bet Ferres was glad that MG was on his jollies as he would have got the hair dryer treatment and so would the dressing room.
I see the usual insidious agendas are creeping back in with certain new faces.

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Quote: Blotto "I see the usual insidious agendas are creeping back in with certain new faces.'"

Indeed. All of this rumour and ambiguity is bloody irritating. Bring facts or a plan, but lazy casting of aspersions with no real information is tedious and draining.

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Quote: Bull Mania "Wonder if it's Peter Hood x2 Does seem a very similar set of themes.

1. Big up gledhill. Check
2. Moan about hobbo. Check
3. Boot into green. Check

Hmmm...

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Quote: mat "Does seem a very similar set of themes.

1. Big up gledhill. Check
2. Moan about hobbo. Check
3. Boot into green. Check

Hmmm...'"


Wasn't David Tasker associated with the club also? Think we wrote the season review books we used to do.

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Quote: Bull Mania "Wasn't David Tasker associated with the club also? Think we wrote the season review books we used to do.'"

U sure your not thinking of Gary tasker? One of caisleys group.

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Quote: Bull Mania "How can anyone blame Marc Green FFS! No investment!!??

In 2014 i remember going to the first game at Odsal. The place was a skeleton, no barriers, a pile of dirt on the car park. The Bulls were dead. Green stated from the off he wasn't a multi-millionaire who could bankroll the club (there aren't many about unfortunately).'"


Indeed, the characters that attempted to run things immediately before Green took over were quite a shambles. Green certainly steadied the ship. When you're selling bits of the ground for scrap to make ends meet it's desperate.

I think criticism can be levelled at him for not resolving the Ferres/Lowes situation. Obviously lots of players were being signed with no corresponding improvement on the pitch. Ferres was meant to be the RL man in this situation. Surely he could see the warning signs? He handles the day to day running of the club and would see the bills piling up and the various close shaves with HMRC. Signing players every other week wasn't helping that situation. Maybe Green should've stepped in earlier.

I hope Green has some sort of contingency plan. Otherwise we're up the creek. I'd be surprised and disappointed if he hasn't. I can live with a cut to the playing budget to make us sustainable provided there is no cut to the academy since that's the thing that can give us a future.

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Quote: Bullseye "

.... Ferres was meant to be the RL man in this situation. Surely he could see the warning signs? He handles the day to day running of the club and would see the bills piling up and the various close shaves with HMRC. Signing players every other week wasn't helping that situation.....

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Given Ferres chequered history in driving his previous clubs to the brink, maybe this was the first signing which should have been terminated.....

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Quote: vbfg "One of the blokes I was speaking to on the way out mentioned something along those lines.'"


...and in fact the sixth winding up order of the last twelve months went in yesterday, twelve days after the previous one was dismissed.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/2581598/
Quote: vbfg "One of the blokes I was speaking to on the way out mentioned something along those lines.'"


...and in fact the sixth winding up order of the last twelve months went in yesterday, twelve days after the previous one was dismissed.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/2581598/


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