Well if we vote to leave I'm moving my family into your house in Scotland, so you've a huge incentive to get people to vote sensibly.

FWIW, both sides are feeling the same way. I know many people who have an opinion but are determined to keep it to themselves because they expected to get shouted down. I'm not particularly wary of sharing my opinion but I have been on this. And it's a different one to yours. I have flat out refused to talk about it at work with anyone.

It says a lot about the nature of this campaign.

It's been interesting following the primaries campaign in the US this year for similar reasons. Measuring the support for Clinton is essentially impossible because even her most ardent supporters aren't saying they support her. Whether it's a divisive issue or not she's the most divisive figure in American politics and has been for 20+ years. Trump and the Bernie Bros are in your face. Clinton supporters are in closed FB groups, hiding their numbers. Add a few percent to every poll you see.

My favourite moment in the referendum happened last night. A pro-remain friend of mine posted a link on FB. It was about a riot in Calais. It was a link from the Daily Mail. FB was suggesting links from the Telegraph, the BBC, Guardian, NY Times and a few others. It had just been on the evening news on the radio.

He had three different people jump on it demanding to know if this was true why it hadn't been in the news, and insisting that he was a scaremongering fool.

This is the level we're at. Everyone's a fscking idiot. Stay or leave the decision is invalid because it was made by idiots dancing to the tune of manipulative w@nkers for whom the argument is not about what the argument is all about. And either way it'll be within the margin of error. Everyone with a dog in the fight is going to feel like they've lost out to the tyranny of a marginal majority. And we'll resent each other for decades for what in the final analysis is a Tory civil war.

It's a sound basis from which to stride confidently into the future, all arguments put definitively behind us.

If we do Leave, Scotland will separate, the rest of the UK will become permanently Tory, we will be heading to Scotland to join tigercub. If they will have us.

Haha. You and your family would be welcomed anytime dude. I have faith that you will get the result you crave however.

You remind me of myself during the Indyref up here. I was out leafleting for the No campaign and, my word, did I get some abuse from the "Yessers" for doing so.

But it helped I guess because I got the result I wanted.

(Odd to say but I have actually learned more about the EU Ref from YOU than I have been able to learn from the very people who are supposed to be convincing us!)

Still, anyone who watched the Referendum debate last night and were undecided surely must be in the Remain camp now. They absolutely destroyed the Leave mob. I am very proud, as a Scotsman, of Ruth Davidson. She may well be a Tory and I have never been one, but, my word, she is a wonderful politician and speaker and I have a lot of time for her. She was magnificent last night.

I agree. But I'd add to that the fact that the vote is close, is partly due to the limp and luke-warm manner in which the Labour leadership have sold the remain case.

The hardcore left are instinctively mistrustful of the EU whereas the rank and file of the parliamentary Labour party are not. They too are having a civil war, albeit a far gentler one.

Tigercub lives up here dude?

Where abouts?

I think this would have made my life a little easier, and in hindsight it would have been more advisable if more people did this! A lot of my discussions with people descended to them criticizing me for threatening to not vote because I feel like both sides have treated me and everyone else like a mug! I have rarely given my position away, but I've still had an onslaught of middle class Remain supporters lambast me on social media outlets. I have no doubt that vote Remain people may have felt similar from the vote Leave camp, but for me to sit in the middle and get hauled over the coals felt quite lonely.

Agreed word for word. Sadly, on the tele and in the media and social media, those who shout the loudest and most aggressively are the ones heard.

Hard Remainers call anyone who votes leave an ill-informed, bigoted, racist little Englander



Hard Brexiters blame everything on immigrants.

They're the ones who get all the media attention. I mean why's Nigel Farage had so much media coverage? He's not even an MP??

I can't stand Farage, i'm voting leave but for completely different reasons to Farage. me voting Leave is NOT a vote for Farage. I will always respect anyone who votes remain and won't shout at them or suddenly lose respect for them. Everyone has a vote and will vote for remain or leave for different reasons. Sadly respect has been what is missing from this campaign.

He wears the imperial purple.

She's at Uni in Glasgow. Absolutely loves the place.

Pumps, I thoroughly agree. My missus and I fear for our kids (and grandkids) future isolated from Europe because this baby-boomer generation (who have had cheap housing, great pensions, early retirement , peace and prosperity) would be happy to take that away from their Grandchildren because they are from a generation where they believed Britain was better than it was, and not the spent, heavy-industry-less island off the cold end of continental Europe it is now.

The only good thing I could possibly think of which would come from Brexit would be that Farage loses his MEP job, and his German wife (who is employed by the EU as his admin) loses hers too.

The thing is the onset of the recession which will come in the wake of Brexit won't affect the millionaire likes of BoJo and Farage.

Scotland can't seperate. They voted on seperatism and lost. The thing people need reminding about democracy is that it is (or should be) binding on the participants. You have a vote and then abide by the decision. You cant have a vote and abide by it only if you win.