I've watched a few times and it's a definite knock-on. Even if you ignore that and it did go backwards the fact is Silverwood waved back to 6 so the Leeds players gambled as they knew whatever happened they'd get the ball back. You couldn't go to the video ref after telling the leeds players they had a free play, so your point is void either way .


I'll also add your clutching at straws with this, as always it seems every single Rhinos victory recorded is due to the referee, and if one call had gone the other way the other team of course could or should have won it.

LOL - TBH even if we got on the front foot and had them on the ropes we still would of ran out of steam, a fair few teams at the moment a class above the rest and unfortunately Leeds are one of them,

If we could of avoided the first 12 points then maybe we may of had a chance, but judging by how we played at Wire i wasnt expecting anything more than a comfortable win for Leeds,

BUT not overlly bothered with the last 3 results as long as i said we can beat the teams lower than us we will have a good shot at the play-offs and hopefull can build up a good run of form going into them

This thread is a little embarrassing. On the whole the referee performance was okay, he certainly made less mistakes than the Bradford players. Poor defense lost us this game, not the referee.

Maybe you could have a look at this, then.

There are 4 screen shots. The main picture is a composite of the moment Addy's hand hits the ball on the left half of the image (A) and the moment the ball hits the ground, on the right side of the image (C).

It's very easy to see that the images line up, as there are lines and markings on the pitch.

You can in particular see that the ball is not forward of Addy's right foot.



I have also overlaid smaller images taken from the side view, at the same moments.

B shows that the ball is in fact not level with Addy's foot, but forward of Addy. This gives about another 2 or 3 feet of "room". It means the ball at image "A" is in fact 2 or 3 feet nearer the camera than Addy's right foot.

I would be interested to see any physical evidence you can show to support your conviction that it WAS forward.


At least I'm confident that you're not being serious there. Lulia was away by a mile and you know it.


Mate, I am doing no such thing whatsoever. I am simply discussing one single bad decision by the ref, and that was not to go to the VR for this call. There is no excuse for it. It should be possible to sensibly discuss physical evidence of one incident without people getting on their high horses about wider points and hyperbolic claims. Nobody is saying Leeds weren't the better side on the day nor that the Bulls "would have won" nor that their victory is "due to the ref". It is only stating the obvious to say that if the try had been scored, then from then it would have been a different game. Eight points isn't much in SL 2013.

Unfortunately it's your post that's embarrassing. I'd agree with your comment about the ref's general performance, and the mistakes, and the defence. Nobody says the referee lost us the game. Why refute a claim nobody has made?

Fair enough, from what I saw it looked forward, without having the time or inclination to go look into it as much as you have.

I'm confused what you mean by I know Lulia was away by a mile though? I agree Lulia would have scored, I've never said he wouldn't. My point was the ref called it a knock-on therefore giving leeds a free play, meaning they perhaps wouldn't have made the pass that Lulia intercepted if they hadn't been awarded a free play.

Wether Silverwood got the correct call becomes irrelevant as they can't go to the video ref after awarding leeds a free play when the players will obviously take a more risky approach with the knowledge whatever happens they get the ball back. To suddenly go to the video ref after telling the Leeds players this would be ridiculous. It's not their fault Silverwood got the call correct or not, in the context of what happened and the call silverwood made you could not suddenly reverse that knowing the implications.

Addy knocked on. Simple as. No need to check it.

Cheers.


Good point, and an example of unforeseen consequences. If Ablett (?) did indeed only throw a pass that he wouldn't have thrown if he was not sure it was a free play, then I would agree with you. I don't think on balance that was the case, as the ref's call came as he was already shaping to pass, but I can't say it wasn't, just that it didn't look that way.


Probably so. That's totally unsatisfactory position that this ridiculous and unnecessary new rule puts us in.

So we can agree, whilst the knock down may not have gone forward but due to the rules of the game, (which I amn't endorsing or agreeing with by the way), Silverwood couldn't have gone to the video ref after making the call he did?

It would be like saying to a defending team the opposition have knocked on, and the defence stops and they let a player run through and score making no attempt to tackle him, then suddenly the ref changing his mind and going to the video ref realising it wasn't a knock-on in the first place. Once a decision of that nature has been made you can't ignore it after.

Have I been living in a box? What is a "free play"?

Careful....

Erm yes... you have.

You surely must have seen teams 'chance their arm' with a free play after a knock on? Basically means that a team can try a risky play after the opposition have knocked on and if they don't score/gain advantage/ or if they knock on or lose possession then play is brought back to the original knock on.