Jamie Langley is not a prop forward by any means whatesoever.

What is he then? He's not a loose-forward.

He's a back row forward. Either loose or second row.

except he doesnt have ball handling skills to play loose. loose forward needs to be capable of oofloading and creating things - langley very rarely does either.

Well he used to be good at those.

He did when he was in the academy yeah. In fact I seem to remember commenting on an academy game and saying he wouldn't make too bad a stand off.

In recent years though he has the same chance of playing 6 as Joe Vagana did.

thats the operative word there. couple of years back he looked like being our long term solution at loose, but for whatever reason he seems to have stalled in his development and even gone slightly backwards.

Personally I don't think it has anything at all to do with the coaching he is getting.

tbh feel he's been stagnating a bit since 2004. didnt he pick up a baddish injury round about then?

I think the only season he's missed a significant amount of game time was a couple of years ago. Struggling to remember 5 years back though, I can barely remember yesterday....

your right - only played 16 games in 2007. your memories obviously better than mine

He can offload and we all know he can.

But being creative and offloading are neither tanatamount to being a good loose though in my opinion, the two best loose forwards currently playing (Dallas Johnson and Paul Gallen) are neither particularly good at either of those things, but they are still outstanding loose forwards arn't they?

He was in brilliant and destructive form before he picked up that bad injury in 2007, he hasn't looked the same sinse. Not sure why it is, but he doesn't seem to be as agaile as he once was.