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| Quote Durham Giant="Durham Giant"how childish you are.
The bit in green is quite sad, Representing the poor and supporting the struggle equality is the basis of methodism, socialism, the Quakers, the Trade Union movement and mother Theresa. No doubt they are all motivated like me by jealousy!
But with your attitude i am sure you would make a good salesman as a loan shark.
The bit i highlighted in red sums you up. A responsible lender would and should not lend to someone in that position.'"
Oh I am sorry I didn't realise the rules of a debate . If you disagree with someone then there reply is childish .Also I am so glad you can figure everything about a person from one post. But add I can see that your inability to take on other people's opinions has made going any further with this pointless. I am sure that will make your weekend |
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| Quote Adeybull="Adeybull"Not sure whether you are disagreeing with my point (you usually do...
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But I agree with yours.
And, in the same vein, capitalism does not exploit and impoverish the vulnerable; [ipeople[/i who abuse capitalism exploit and impoverish the vulnerable. Society does not care for the disadvantaged and the vulnerable; [ipeople[/i (including perhaps Durham Giant?) care for the disadvantaged and the vulnerable.'"
I am kind of agreeing I think. When bad things happen, society likes to blame everyone and everything apart from (usually) the people who do it. At some point, people have to take responsibilty for their actions.
Having said that though, I am uneasy about this sponsorship. On a selfish level, as a Bulls fan, I welcome it. On a more general level, I don't like what Provident do, but my argument is more with the society that leaves people in such desperate situations that they use the services of organisations such as Provident. I would help anyone of my friends or family, if I could, to stop them using such companies. But it does not make them the devil incarnate.
The devil incarnate sits much higher up the food chain.
I do however, hope that Provident are serious when they say they are wanting to give something back to the community. We will see. |
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I unlike Durham Giant am not worthy, I would have to be Smug, Righteous, Pious and Moralistic, so I will say thank you Provident for supporting my team.
I may wear a hairshirt to attone for my sins but then again I think I will buy a Bulls one.
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| Quote Durham Giant="Durham Giant"I do not have much truck with the sponsors of most sports teams. In fact the only one i can think of i had much time for was Barcelona when they advertised UNICEF.
It all comes down to where you draw the line.
IMHO I would draw the line at companies who particularly target the vulnerable and desperate Provident do. Wonga are not much better.'"
Did Barcelona advertise UNICEF for free ? If so then good on them. If not then i wouldn't be happy with any of my donations being used to sponsor such a big global brand name as Barcelona football club. |
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| Quote Hopebull="Hopebull"Quote Hopebull="Durham Giant"I do not have much truck with the sponsors of most sports teams. In fact the only one i can think of i had much time for was Barcelona when they advertised UNICEF.
It all comes down to where you draw the line.
IMHO I would draw the line at companies who particularly target the vulnerable and desperate Provident do. Wonga are not much better.'"
Did Barcelona advertise UNICEF for free ? If so then good on them. If not then i wouldn't be happy with any of my donations being used to sponsor such a big global brand name as Barcelona football club.'"
At the time Barcelona actually paid to have the UNICEF logo on their shirts. Having fallen on harder times, Barca are now sponsored by the Qatar Foundation, which is non profit. |
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| Quote dixie="dixie"At the time Barcelona actually paid to have the UNICEF logo on their shirts. Having fallen on harder times, Barca are now sponsored by the Qatar Foundation, which is non profit.'"
I did wander when i first saw UNICEF on their shirts. Thanks for clearing that up. |
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No use to going to that smug moralising institution they are a busted flush of hypocrits. |
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| Quote Adeybull="Adeybull"Hardly.'"
No mate, it meets every criteria. You seem to have decided that there is good use of capital for making money and bad use of capital for making money, and if it's bad use then it doesn't get to wear the badge.
That's nonsense.
It is what it is irrespective of the moral judgement we make of it.
I'm not making any judgement on them as a sponsor here. The example you gave of people dying on roads, and is it the driver's fault or the network's? Well it's the driver's. They have personal responsibility for their actions, but those accidents are a part of the system in place today no matter who caused it. I don't blame capitalism for the existence of these companies. It's not a necessary condition that they exist. But they do exist, and they're part of the deal as it stands today. We don't get to pretend they're a whole other thing entirely. |
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| Quote vbfg="vbfg"No mate, it meets every criteria. You seem to have decided that there is good use of capital for making money and bad use of capital for making money, and if it's bad use then it doesn't get to wear the badge.'"
I said no such thing. "Capitalism" can no more do good or bad things than can any other amorphous concept or system. It is people who do good or bad things, in it's name or using or abusing its system. Same as my roads analogy. |
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That's why I said "seem", because I couldn't think of any other reason to disavow this financial services company from the capitalist family. It is what it is.
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I will be buying and wearing the new bulls shirt and I also would like to thank Provident for supporting our team, the company is no worse than the banks that have helped put this country in the state it is in now. Whilst you may disagree with their work practices it is a legal company trading in the UK and employing a lot of people in Bradford.
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