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47035_1386433761.gif We can be bold enough to make a stand and do battle for our views and beliefs. But we must strive to be mature enough not to resort to unnecessary personal attacks upon people with opposing views.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_47035.gif |
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| Thing is the way London are playing, Bradford may still beat them.
I would say, hope for a big crowd on Sunday, bringing in as much money as possible to stop as many players as possible being have to let go to balance the books so that when CC does come in, if he does come in? There will still be something of a shell to work with.
Harsh as it may seam hours after your coach has the dirty done on him.
But anything else from the fans would be suicide for the club. It maybe a case of better the devil you know at this stage. If there was a millionaire out there waiting to put money in, the surely we would have seen it by now, or had rumour of it. But CC seams to be the only card on the table.
Anyone got the number for Dragons den, there is a pitch that could be made???
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| Quote: Sam Buca II "Why when they can sell most of them on (admittedly at a reduced fee) and still cut the wage bill?'"
To whom???
Clubs are at the salary cap or not at the cap as they can't afford it. If it was the off-season then there maybe a chance, but unless some clubs have purposely held a reserve for the possibility of a mid-season player, there will be little chance of offloading players now, for a fee.
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| The T&A report from BG says he was approaching the RFL for help with the players wages - but (obviously) not the staff wages.
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| "Mr Guilfoyle said: “This is about survival. We have no cash and no funds have been offered. It is with great regret that we have had to make these redundancies but there are no alternatives."
Wonder why Caisley and Agar and Coulby could not bring themselves to put their hands in their pockets to offer some funds? Just for this last week? After all, they were the parties responsible for the appointment of the administrator, whoever was responsible for the financial situation?
Go figure.
Oh, and don't forget: the red knight will be likely now be able to pick up any of the former staff now free of any accrued employment rights, redundancy and PILON entitlements and whatever. The employes will, in the main, see those entitlements paid out by the taxpayer instead, who will then stand in their place as a creditor. So that's even more that the taxpayer is up for, and the red knight avoids employees being TUPEd across.
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| Quote: FearTheVee "Really sad to read those comments from Potter.
I was one of the (very!) few who thought he did an admirable job at Saints and I felt sure he would be a good coach for you. I think what he has achieved for you this season in the circumstances is borderline miraculous and it's so sad to see him cast aside like this.
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I thought Mick Potter did a magnificent job at a club in a transitional period and was not appreciated at Saints.
I know he proved to be a good and true friend to David Woods when he lost his job and if Dave was in a similar position would do everything possible to assist Mick Potter,at this dreadful time for him and his family.
The 'Fit and Proper' person check for people running rugby league clubs obviously isn't stringent enough.
No surprise parents push their children towards other sports.
I'm just surprised Australians still want to come over here after recent examples at Wakefield,Wrexham and now Bradford.
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| Quote: bewareshadows "I know BG is not a popular man at present, but could he do anything else? '"
Yes he could.
He has stated that the club only had to the end of this week to find a buyer.
Why did he not ask the staff if they would work for free for this last week, instead of being made redundant now? On the basis that there was no assurance any future buyer would pay them, but at least they would still have their jobs and there would be a going concern to sell, which there no longer is.
I feel sure most of the staff would have so volunteered, if they had been asked. Indeed, I am hearing that already.
So, yes he could. But he chose not to. Why?
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| Quote: Bulls4Champs "Why did he sack Potter, why not make one or two of the high paid players redundant? We can get by without a couple of players but not without a coach, it's criminal.'"
As has been stated redundancy removes a position, not a person.
(At this point) they couldn't say they have no need for RL players, and if they did the remaining ones would no doubt be on strike immediately in support.
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| Quote: bewareshadows "To whom???
Clubs are at the salary cap or not at the cap as they can't afford it. If it was the off-season then there maybe a chance, but unless some clubs have purposely held a reserve for the possibility of a mid-season player, there will be little chance of offloading players now, for a fee.'"
Leeds are well known for keeping Cap space available for mid season additions. I doubt we are alone either. That said, and recognising how utterly terrible we have been this season, I don't think there are that many of the Bulls players that we would realistically be interested in. We have problems at hooker so maybe Diskin back or L'estrange. Whitehead and Bateman are obvious candidates, but I suspect that neither would like to play for Leeds and they will both be in Caisley's plans or it would have made more sense to sell when more money was on the table. I wonder if the Bulls situation is linked to the Andy Wilson comment about Leeds signing a player that will really excite the fans? Bateman would be the only option there.
There is of course another possibility. Players may be offered deals on very low terms for the remainder of this season and then significant increases for the remainder of their new contracts at whichever clubs are interested.
I guess we will all know more tomorrow, but in the meantime I hope all the Bulls fans at least have a club to support this time next week.
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| Asim, you really excel yourself with talking bollox.
In insolvency, you can get rid of who you want.
Anyone who thinks that you don't need any staff other than players at a club is clearly bonkers or has an agenda. Go up to the club and see just how many staff are left there running it?
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| Quote: Asim "As has been stated redundancy removes a position, not a person.
(At this point) they couldn't say they have no need for RL players, and if they did the remaining ones would no doubt be on strike immediately in support.'"
Fair enough, could have got rid of Sykes though.
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| Quote: Bulls4Champs "Fair enough, could have got rid of Sykes though.'"
Its not Mike. You made a fair point.
Its more likely to relate to if you get rid of players, you become liable for most of their remaining contractual entitlements. the state will only pay so much, and the players will get sod all of the rest becaus etheir entitlements are well above the statutory maxima.
For the rest of the staff, they will probably (I hope) get most of their accrued entitlements paid out by the Redundancy Payments office - us.
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| A big thank you to Mr.Potter and his staff along with every other member of staff who was unfortunate to be in the pathway of Brendan Guilfoyle's axe, they have worked wonders for the team, the spirit and the pride has reappeared, I've been able to take a hell of a lot more pride in supporting the Bulls than in recent years.
Once again thank you to all staff .
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| Quote: Adeybull "Asim, you really excel yourself with talking bollox.
In insolvency, you can get rid of who you want.
Anyone who thinks that you don't need any staff other than players at a club is clearly bonkers or has an agenda. Go up to the club and see just how many staff are left there running it?'"
Whereas you've excelled yourself with being taken in by someone who made you feel special and played to your sense of self-importance.
I specifically referred to a post about making people redundant by saying exactly what would happen if the administrators made players redundant to "save money" rather than the coach (as had been suggested).
Of course you need more than players to run a club, who suggested otherwise? If by some way some funds are found to enable the game to be put on this Sunday it certainly wouldn't be possible if a player has been made redundant as the group, and if not, the players union will make sure the rest wouldn't think about going to work.
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| Quote: Adeybull "Yes he could.
He has stated that the club only had to the end of this week to find a buyer.
Why did he not ask the staff if they would work for free for this last week, instead of being made redundant now? On the basis that there was no assurance any future buyer would pay them, but at least they would still have their jobs and there would be a going concern to sell, which there no longer is.
I feel sure most of the staff would have so volunteered, if they had been asked. Indeed, I am hearing that already.
So, yes he could. But he chose not to. Why?'"
Well I can only assume that the why, is because they are not wanted by someone else. My point is more about BG. He could have held onto them unpaid like you say, but then that someone else would maybe step back rather than step in and let the club liquidate.
BG needs the money, he may be a foil to do the dirty work of others, but then so would any administrator, but in the end last week, this week or on the last day of administration he needs money. If there is only one person with the cash, he needs to do what he needs to do, to get his hands on that cash. As would any other person in his position.
CC may have planned this, but there seams little sign that anyone else has a challenge to offer. If there were other investors, then if they could better CC, then surely the administrator is creditor bound to take that offer. CC maybe the only man to stop the liquidation?
I admit I'm out of my depth on the whole in's and out's of this process, but what I do think I understand is that if there was an offer or a better offer on the table then it could not be ignored.
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| Quote: batleyrhino " Players may be offered deals on very low terms for the remainder of this season and then significant increases for the remainder of their new contracts at whichever clubs are interested.
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Isn't there something in the rules about that?
Might be imagining it but I thought you couldn't pay them more year on year?
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