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| Ah well when we line up against him in the future make sure he's up against Bateman because Elliott will lose that battle 99/100.
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| Quote: Buck Tarbrush "If he doesn't want to play at the Bulls let him go , from the outside he looks like the kind of lad who on his day can be a matchwinner , but on other days a total liability defensively .
What you cannot buy at any price is desire , He is not likely to be willing to put his body on the line for his coach or team mates at Bradford again , so is best off out the door .
I for one totally support the clubs stance on this . Well done Francis Cummins .'"
Only problem with the clubs stance is that loads on here saying hold out for a big transfer fee, some folks mentioned £100,000 but as other folks have stated there is not much interest or mention of wanting him from other clubs.
1 of 2 things will happen, he will leave for not a massive fee or 2 he will stay and as Cummins said he will never play for the club again, he will sit in the stand still picking up his £ monthly and still be included in the cap for you.
Not a good situation for the Bulls who can't really afford to be paying folks for sitting on their aris!!
We don't want him at the Giants as we have plenty cover in 2nd row and would rather keep Fairbank who is a decent prospect
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| Very different attitude from the bulls fans here than the vitriolic claptrap aimed at kopzcak no very long ago- especially given whiteheads public condemnation and his claims of kopzcak "doing the dirty".
Reneging on a five year contract clearly isn't as big a deal as failing to sign one.
Whitehead clearly doesn't feel that the club is delivering what he expected-but he's not kicked on and shown the form from last year, - he's had a poor season so I can't see 100k being on the table- and who's going to have that plus his wage availabłe under the cap at this point in the season.
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| To be fair he did us a favour by signing on for 5 years. It means now he's garunteed to earn us some cash for a transfer.
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| Which top four side do you think he'll sign for? Sheffield, Featherstone, Halifax or Batley?
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| More immediate problem is from an already small squad we have lost another player - putting more pressure on the rest of the lads. But it is a double whammy as though he won't be pulling on a shirt he is still taking his pay and part of our cap.
I do understand that this year and next we are trying to compete with reduced funding - so not realistically likely to be challenging for silverware. A fact which in itself restricts our ability to recruite - but to pull a stunt like this mid season shows a disregard for the rest of the team and the club.
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| Quote: jools "Very different attitude from the bulls fans here than the vitriolic claptrap aimed at kopzcak no very long ago- especially given whiteheads public condemnation and his claims of kopzcak "doing the dirty".
Reneging on a five year contract clearly isn't as big a deal as failing to sign one.
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Difference is Whitehead has gone through correct process. He wants to leave so has put in a transfer request. He hasnt refused to play in the meantime, the decision to stand him down is the clubs. Disapointing but it happens.
Kopczak, on the other hand,just quit the day before a game. I know it was claimed he couldnt play as it would mean him accepting the TUPEing of his contract but thats claptrap as theres a 30 day cooloing off period on TUPE agreements. He could have finished the season then left,as several other players did, and bradford fans wouldnt have a big problem with him.
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| From Whitehead and his agent's point of view I can see it playing out along the lines of:
Put the transfer request in now - if a club comes in now, great.
Realistically most clubs cannot afford to bring him on board now given the salary cap and complications of any swap deals and moving players on loan to various clubs.
If he has to sit in the stands until the end of the season, it's no good to the Bulls. At the end of the season, they will then look to offload him for whatever deal they can - however minor that will be.
At this point he may have a club or two lined up who can fit him into the salary cap for next season once other players have been released or moved on of their own accord.
The timing is purely for Whitehead, but actually helps the Bulls in some ways if they are ready to let him go at the end of the year for a pittance. They can plan now for replacing him with players from other clubs, or offering others improved contracts who may leave but we wish to retain (ala Kearney).
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| Would whitehead be covered by the mandatory payment system for players who come through a clubs academy but leave before age 24 despite club wanting to keep them?. Not sure if it applies if a player leaves mid contract rather than refusing a new deal, but if it does apply then we get something like 5k a year for every year since he signed his first professional contract. So that would mean a mandatory minimum transfer fee of 40kish, unless he's prepared to sit on sidelines until he turns 24 in September.
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| Quote: mat "Would whitehead be covered by the mandatory payment system for players who come through a clubs academy but leave before age 24 despite club wanting to keep them?. Not sure if it applies if a player leaves mid contract rather than refusing a new deal, but if it does apply then we get something like 5k a year for every year since he signed his first professional contract. So that would mean a mandatory minimum transfer fee of 40kish, unless he's prepared to sit on sidelines until he turns 24 in September.'"
If he holds firm to his stated intention of signing for a 'top four' club, he's pretty likely to be sitting on the sidelines until September anyway as I doubt any would have the space under the cap to sign him before the end of the season, even assuming they wished to do so. Unless he [ihas[/i been tapped up, of course, and the tapper has already 'made arrangements' to lose someone from their cap? If the one they wish to lose is a prop, maybe we can do a deal!!
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| I'm a mate of Elliotts,but I would be very very surprised if any of the current top 4 clubs would be interested in him
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| By the timing of his announcement, and the words used in the press, it sounds like Whitehead already has a club to move to.
The fact that he states a top 4 club is the biggest clue to this. Without a club lined up, this comment would be ridiculous as it basically puts off all other suitors.
By my guessing, he's already been in contact with a 'Top 4' club and his terms have already been agreed. The transfer request is just a means to push this move through. If I had to guess his destination, I would say the club that has made contact is either Leeds or Huddersfield, and based on previous rumours, I would most likely go with Leeds.
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| I think you will find Eliot already has a deal lined up.
Look how many tries he's scored as a forward in a poor team.In a good team he'll be a top scoring forward don't worry about that.He's scored tries a plenty throughout his career up to date.Hope he carries on coaching the youngsters at his former amateur club.
The question you should be asking is why he wants to leave his home town club.Why an investor pulled out after seeing something she didn't like?
Anyway,if the BULLS get a decent fee many on here will be glad to see the back of Eliot as they don't seem to get him at all.So WIN WIN for them,YES?
Cummins?Can he inspire?Can he improve players to play above themselves?Can he bring young talent through?Those are the questions on my mind right now.Eliot wants to leave---not a good start imo.Bateman next?Don't rule it out.
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| I've not given up on FC yet. He had one of the hardest tasks this year, and he's just gone through the toughest part of the fixture list. A decent win (hopefully at Saints) will get the confidence back up and we should see the team competing again.
I'm not classing FC a Mcnamara yet.
As for why he wants to leave, I'm not overly convinced with some of the things I've seen by the management at Odsal, but I suppose they are still learning how to run a RL club. There does seem to be a few 'distractions' coming from the actions of the board members, but without full knowledge of what is going on, I don't think it would be fair of me to criticise.
I suppose only time will tell how good of an owner OK will be for the Bulls
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