FORUMS > Bradford Bulls > Phoenix from the flames? |
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 28357 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2024 | Oct 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
973_1515165968.gif Last edited by Ferocious Aardvark on stardate Jun 26, 3013 11:27 am, edited 48,562,867,458,300,023 times in total:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_973.gif |
|
| Quote: Sensei-Bull "So Green driving this?
This doesn't sit right with me.'"
Pettit was appointed by Green. As previously explained, his job is NOT therefore to "do his best for the creditors", but to do his best for Green. His duty to other creditors is not to unnecessarily harm their interests in the process.
Is it just me, or is there a family resemblance? I think we should be told, but provisionally much kudos to him if this comes off
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 3213 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Sep 2012 | 12 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2023 | Aug 2021 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
68505_1605979550.jpg :d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_68505.jpg |
|
| Quote: Highlander "The only 2 club officials to have made public comments about this that I know of are the Cougars coach & the Fev chairman. They both are of the opinion it would be unfair to bring a C1 club up at short notice. But it would be interesting to get the opinion of Haven & Worky...'"
A Bradford club in the championship, provided there's the decent nucleolus of the side and the current unbalance doesn't strip us of ever decent player, coupled with owners who can meet the RFL's criteria for being able to ensure a minimum of 3 years financial stability, should still be able to pull in similar crowds to what has been over the last two years.
Very likely the travelling support would still remain as strong as it has been too, so that means Championship clubs will have budgeted for a big payday when the Bulls come to town. Dropping Bradford down a division while brining back Workington or Whitehaven would not help anyone. Both clubs don't really attract the biggest away followings and the long trip up to Cumbria does put the majority of visiting fans off.
At the end of the day, money talks and hopefully if there IS a buyer (personally I'm still sceptical of the whole thing) they'll have the money to meet the needs of the club.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Moderator | 31839 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2024 | Oct 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
438_1551258406.jpg "If you start listening to the fans it won't be long before you're sitting with them," - Wayne Bennett.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_438.jpg |
Moderator
|
| Point well made!
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 4035 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2006 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Sep 2024 | Jan 2023 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
30148_1289234681.jpg :d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_30148.jpg |
|
| Quote: DemonUK "At least he can sell the domain to the eventual new owners. My view on this conversion of debt to shares is one of incredulity. Firstly the HMRC wil not want shares in a RL club and secondly they are basically worthless anyway and are just postponing any possible return of the debt to the next admin. If this is all driven by Greens desperation you can bet there will be a catch, to me I think he has conned once too often to be credible in any way shape or form. I sincerely hope that the RFL do not cave into this attempt to force their hand. In simple terms they can continue with this process of trying to get a new pro club formed in Bradford and just deny a licence to this (in my opinion) dodgy attempt by the Wasps owner. RU are already trying to pee all over our game with the Solomona issue, do we really want the RU getting inside knowledge of the RFL and RL in general. Something really doesn't sit right, and until a full explanation is published and all these so called NDAs get kicked into touch, I would be very cautious of getting any hopes up.
Bull Mania if the RFL have no knowledge of Petit continuing to try and sell it after announcing he was liquidating the club, then it is behind the RFLs back.'"
I agree it's potentially worrying. But, we don't know what discussions have gone on between which parties. There is too much guesswork going on. For all we know the rfl are in the loop with the Richardson bid. The list of items the rfl need satisfying by Monday by any potential owner included a detailed plan of staffing and playing squad capability to start the 2017 season, a meeting with the ex current squad is the best starting point for that, without such a meeting how could any other party hope to convince the rfl they could field a team in 3 weeks time?
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Moderator | 10969 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2023 | Jun 2022 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
1271.jpg Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.
Mark Twain
Build Bridges NOT Walls:1271.jpg |
Moderator
|
| The RFL are probably hoping we can't get any sort of competitive team together - the fact that this 'new deal', if indeed it is a done deal, might just do that and would upset them, somewhat.
I'd guess the RFL, given earlier statements and their obvious attempt to engineering that very scenario are clearly hoping/praying we go down next year.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 578 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2012 | 12 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2019 | Jan 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| Quote: Bulliac "The earliest records have the our club playing at Little Horton Cricket Clubās ground just off All Saintās Road near to St. Lukesās Hospital and then having what can only be called a peripatetic existence until moving to Park Avenue in 1880. In 1885 Bradford Rugby Club is listed as one of the inaugural clubs in the Northern Union which was the precursor of the Rugby League.
This all leads to a debate about just what constitutes a āclubā and as to how certain aspects of it can fall by the way side, whilst the āclubā itself seems carry on ad infinitum and to the question of exactly how do we define ā a clubā.
Itās perhaps easier to say what it isnāt. It isnāt, for instance, the players because they change constantly nor is it the directors for similar reasons. It isnāt just the supporters either because eventually we die or lose interest, it isnāt the ground or any set of buildings either since they can be changed too. It isnāt any commercial aspect either since we still regard any new company formed to run the club as still being āthe clubā. It isnāt even a combination of any or all of the above.
It seems that the āclubā is some kind of spiritual link, in which the baton is passed through the generations but which has no logical link to earthly considerations like businesses going bust or changes in circumstance. Since this is so, can we disregard the 1907 decision to play soccer and the 1963 playing and financial disaster and indeed our most recent brushes with demise, which killed a few companies but which clearly didnāt end the āclubā and we can stick to the Bulls/Northern being born in 1863?
For those who made it to the end, I thank you for your patience!'"
The board administrators should pin this post as a standalone 'sticky' for all time on the Bradford board.
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 28357 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2024 | Oct 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
973_1515165968.gif Last edited by Ferocious Aardvark on stardate Jun 26, 3013 11:27 am, edited 48,562,867,458,300,023 times in total:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_973.gif |
|
| Those who think that the soul of a club is defined by a Companies House registration, or an RFL membership certificate, truly are sad people with no comprehension of what it's all about. I have been a Bradford fan since Northern days and the spirit of the Bradford club remained intact into the Bulls incarnations, indeed it was that spirit, embodied by Sir Trev, that kept the concept alive. The formation of Bradford Bulls (1964) Ltd (as it then was) was irrelevant to the club.
Whether it is a different legal entity isn't the point at all. Who ever was a supporter of a limited company?
Edit: Or, I agree with Bulliac
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 963 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2012 | 12 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2024 | Sep 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
68134_1392230175.jpg [i:17olg9pl][color=#BF0000:17olg9pl]Never trust a man who, when left alone in a room with a tea cosy, doesn't try it on.[/color:17olg9pl][/i:17olg9pl]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_68134.jpg |
|
| While this meeting and planning 'may' be circumventing the RLF, surely they aren't too arrogant to admit that to have a club (with players,) ready to play the fixtures they have set out needs to be finalised as quickly as possible.
And if this cartel have already jumped through the hoops defined by the RFL (which I have to imagine they have, otherwise why the newco, website, meeting etc.) even the RFL must recognise that this is the best bid to start the season with an actual Bradford team.
They couldn't scupper that through pure blind arrogance surely?
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 7594 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2021 | May 2021 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
8_1434361123.jpg When my club didn't exist it was still bigger than yours:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_8.jpg |
|
| Quote: Highlander "Does anyone know if Green has a son & if so, what company he is a director in?'"
He does. Has his own promotions business. I think he's renting an old chapel somewhere in Leeds for putting on dance nights.
I have wondered how many of the Marc Green photos of him apparently in an Ibiza nightclub were actually in his lads bedroom.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Captain | 998 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2015 | 9 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Sep 2024 | Mar 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
74022_1508923680.jpg :d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_74022.jpg |
|
| I agree I think the RFL already knew what was going on yesterday,
for a bidder to field a bid Monday and have a team together, coaching staff, admin staff, sponsors, kit, ground staff,etc etc all sorted for 3 weeks time is impossible.
This way the club is saved from liquidation, the right thing is seen to be done by the creditors, a possible team should be able to put together for the HKR match ready to go.
Richardson should hopefully be able to replace the gone players as the season goes on, if not some loans from other teams (uncle Tony) can be brought in as needed.
It should be 6 points if the creditors are satisfied, so it will be a very interesting season with hopefully a lot more motivation to achieve.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 1604 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Nov 2004 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2021 | Jul 2021 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
11062.gif A casual stroll throught the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.:11062.gif |
|
| Quote: Bulliac "The RFL are probably hoping we can't get any sort of competitive team together - the fact that this 'new deal', if indeed it is a done deal, might just do that and would upset them, somewhat.
I'd guess the RFL, given earlier statements and their obvious attempt to engineering that very scenario are clearly hoping/praying we go down next year.'"
Not buying that. I'm not sure what the RFL would gain from our relegation.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 28357 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2024 | Oct 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
973_1515165968.gif Last edited by Ferocious Aardvark on stardate Jun 26, 3013 11:27 am, edited 48,562,867,458,300,023 times in total:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_973.gif |
|
| So an Odsal 70s concert is back on? Where's Rick?
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 362 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2010 | 14 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2019 | Aug 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| Quote: Duckman "I agree it's potentially worrying. But, we don't know what discussions have gone on between which parties. There is too much guesswork going on. For all we know the rfl are in the loop with the Richardson bid. The list of items the rfl need satisfying by Monday by any potential owner included a detailed plan of staffing and playing squad capability to start the 2017 season, a meeting with the ex current squad is the best starting point for that, without such a meeting how could any other party hope to convince the rfl they could field a team in 3 weeks time?'"
OK, First things first the Administrators did NOT inform the RFL that this meeting was even taking place. Therefore, it was set up to ambush the RFL and put them in a position where the NEWCO Bulls are ready to go, all they need now is the membership and the Administrators are currently discussing this with the RFL.
The creditors will get stuffed on this deal as in true Marc Green style the debts of Bradford Bulls Northern Ltd are being dumped and this company will indeed be liquidated. The 'new' Bradford Bulls Capital Ltd will emerge. I for one cannot see how this can be classed as a new company / club in any way, shape or form. They will have the same logo, players, admin staff, coaching staff, buildings, etc so how the hell is it a new company with no debt.
Anyone with a true love of our sport should be against this happening and petition the RFL to not give the membership to this barsteward offspring of Marc Green. I will refuse to go and watch them when they play against my team as I don't want to be any part of a sport that sells its morality and integrity, especially to someone from RU who will use this to access ALL of our best young talent.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Moderator | 31839 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2024 | Oct 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
438_1551258406.jpg "If you start listening to the fans it won't be long before you're sitting with them," - Wayne Bennett.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_438.jpg |
Moderator
|
| A totally lame duck club would be back in admin in no time as even if the owners satisfied all the RFL criteria the supporters wouldn't be on board to watch a side get stuffed every week until relegation. Any goodwill has long since dried up and to expect fans to buy into a charade is naive.
However if the remaining 20 players in the squad were kept on there's a chance of survival, and supporters could very much buy into a backs to the wall type spin.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 1604 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Nov 2004 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2021 | Jul 2021 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
11062.gif A casual stroll throught the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.:11062.gif |
|
| Quote: el red " I will refuse to go and watch them when they play against my team as I don't want to be any part of a sport that sells its morality and integrity...'"
Mate. RL is a Murdoch plaything. We sold out a long time ago.
|
|
|
|
|
|