What Tribunal?

It's got its own thread Mick.

Do I Cas troll. I've read it again and again and I find no real anger of any sort. A few have some reservation but I see no real nonmosity or bitterness.

So Cas troll can you put up a link to one of these numerous bitter and malicious anti Kear posts if you wouldn't mind.

Did I say all Bulls fans?

Bulls arrogance refers to a section of your fans who did and still do delude themselves regarding the importance of your club. He was the worst the one with the anti troll spray avatar.

I'd love the Bulls back in SL. I'm a pragmatist and as such they have far more value to my team than clubs like Catalan etc. RL is a poor sport we can't afford the loss of 5000 plus paying customers.

However the Bulls myth was built on sand and as such a bit of a fake. There is nothing fake about Kear - we will miss him but I can't deny that left alone he is the Bulls best chance to turn it around - possibly your only chance.

Word of warning, it will be ugly to start with but it will get better.

Not sure which part of Bulls history you mean when you refer to myth.

The myth that the Bulls were innovators who embraced SL creating a 'people's team' remember that?

When in fact they ripped off The 'Cougars' and used the oldest trick in the book by borrowing huge amounts of money that they could never repay once the success ran out.

You had a good run I'll give you that and your timing was impeccable but it was hardly groundbreaking.

Can't take it away from the team but off the field it was a kind of cheating because it was simply unsustainable. When you look at Leeds who's revival coincided with yours I would be far more satisfied with what the Rhonos achieved than what the Bulls did.

Don't want to appear holier than though because had my own club done the same I'd have probably gone along with it, at least at the start.

So there you are, I'm sure you won't agree so ho hum.

At least with JK you will have honesty back on the pitch.

Isn't there a saying, I think in the newspaper business, about everone has their own truth but the facts are sacred?

My own truths, I confess are a little at odds with yours. However, first off, no.1; no the Bulls weren't truly innovators, since most would accept that there is little 'new' under the sun and the vast majority accept the influence of 'Cougarmania', which itself 'ripped off' American practices. The Bulls did though take it to a new level, mainly because they had more money to throw at it - not borrowed btw, THEIR own money. I also think much of the 'bull' came far more from the Sky team than it ever did from the club, it was them who whipped up Bullmania as a sort of flagship for their own TV coverage. I would never blame fans for embracing success though, who wouldn't love it?

The success was bought though, that is undeniable, and it was bought at great detriment to the club in the long term. The Rhinos renaissance wasn't contemporary with the rise of the Bulls though, they were five or six years behind and continued for quite a few years after. There was actually very little overlap.

You look to have recruited quite well, btw and I hope nothing but the best for your season. Best of Luck.

What a crank

Damn. Just come back and you've said everything I was going to say.

On a more positive note...

Reports suggest we have sold at least 500 Season Tickets in the past week - which means that announcing John Kear as coach and extending the deadline has brought in the region of £100,000 into the club in the past week.

Those asking where the money has come from to be appointing a coach of Kear's calibre now have an answer

I suspect you're well and truly in the minority with those opinions, and you're in the wrong forum to start converting others to your RL worldview!

Many of our clubs have murky events if you want to dredge them up. I think promising to make your ground superleague standard on promotion and then getting away with never doing it is pretty shoddy too. Especially when other clubs (Hunslet and Dewsbury?) were told to whistle when they were in the same boat. Like I say, how many clubs come up smelling of roses in a p1ssing contest?

I believe that particular ruse has been done at least 3 times by the same club too. As you've alluded, people in glass houses and all that.

"The people's team" came late in the piece and wasn't much of a factor at all. The Bulls invented Sl and anyone who says otherwise is talking utter nonsense. if you want to delude yourself that Bullmania and 20,000+ crowds never existed then that's your prerogative.


That is also a highly exaggerated and ridiculous rewriting of history. What they did do is the masterstroke of appointing Peter Deakin and it was his marketing genius that put it all together. To suggest he "copied" everything he did from Keighley is frankly bizarre.


Specify these loans then. (Surely you didn't just make that up?)


Except, SL history does indeed indisputably confirm that it WAS groundbreaking. We don't care about your jaundiced view.


But we DID sustain it so again that's nonsense. Things changed massively in recent years but it was not as a result of any huge borrowings or any such in the early years. It was a catalogue of things but largely centred on the Harris farrago. After that, we ended up with a string of owners who made a string of disastrous financial decisions.

None of that in any way detracts from the golden years. You're just bitter.


Like taking Jamie Peacock out of our team? (And that was a ridiculous Bulls management cockup too). Leeds revival was also based on the proverbial sugar daddy who we've never had so the cases are not comparable.


It's not that we don't agree, it's that you're talking largely bitter and jealous nonsense, and trying to talk down and denigrate the achievements of a once great club. I don't quite know why, but you just come across as a bit of a ywaat if I'm honest.i


WTF?? So up till now we've had dishonesty on the pitch? You need to take more water with it.

Nice one FA, thanks for replying on my and plenty of others behalf.