It's capitalism irrespective of the post-facto moral judgement people make of it.

Hardly.

Do you blame the road network because some people are killed on it? Or do you instead blame those who deliberately or negligently or carelessly abuse the roads?

"Capitalism" is no more to blame per se than the road network or "society". People are to blame.

"Exploitation" seems to be the key word here - and how we view the people/resource being exploited, and whether they could exercise any genuine choice in using the service being offered. We all love to see the oppositions defence "exploited" in a game, and we all like to "exploit" new technology, equally you could argue that the farmers of the world were "exploiting" the basic human need for food. My "ideal world" would see everyone receive a basic living wage which would in theory - though I am sure not in practice - end the market for short term loans. But we do not live in an ideal world so I agree with the more pragmatic posters here that better a regulated company like Provident than some shark cruising round the estate in a Merc with darkened windows.

first i hope you dont suffer from vertigo being on such a high horse .
second as to your rebut-le "i always support the vulnerable and underdog. is that why your a Huddersfield fan (your gonna win f*** all your gonna win f*** all)

but thirdly and on a serious note the new bulls sponsor has been around for years since my old man was a boy (in his 60's). Nearly all loan companies offer these high rate loans but they just simply don't advertise it so obviously. Loan companies will asses you look at your credit score and judge you on this, if they judge you to have anything in your past that may seem like you may not be able to repay they will offer you a loan but on a stupid repayment packet.

This is nothing new and the fact your talking like people are being help with a gun to there head forced to sign to these loans is childish.Bitter and stinks of Jealousy !!!

first i hope you dont suffer from vertigo being on such a high horse .
second as to your rebut-le "i always support the vulnerable and underdog. is that why your a Huddersfield fan (your gonna win f*** all your gonna win f*** all)

but thirdly and on a serious note the new bulls sponsor has been around for years since my old man was a boy (in his 60's). Nearly all loan companies offer these high rate loans but they just simply don't advertise it so obviously. Loan companies will asses you look at your credit score and judge you on this, if they judge you to have anything in your past that may seem like you may not be able to repay they will offer you a loan but on a stupid repayment packet.

This is nothing new and the fact your talking like people are being help with a gun to there head forced to sign to these loans is childish.Bitter and stinks of Jealousy !!!

how childish you are.

The bit in green is quite sad, Representing the poor and supporting the struggle equality is the basis of methodism, socialism, the Quakers, the Trade Union movement and mother Theresa. No doubt they are all motivated like me by jealousy!



But with your attitude i am sure you would make a good salesman as a loan shark.
The bit i highlighted in red sums you up. A responsible lender would and should not lend to someone in that position.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Not sure whether you are disagreeing with my point (you usually do... who abuse capitalism exploit and impoverish the vulnerable. Society does not care for the disadvantaged and the vulnerable; [ipeople[/i (including perhaps Durham Giant?) care for the disadvantaged and the vulnerable.

Oh I am sorry I didn't realise the rules of a debate . If you disagree with someone then there reply is childish .Also I am so glad you can figure everything about a person from one post. But add I can see that your inability to take on other people's opinions has made going any further with this pointless. I am sure that will make your weekend

I am kind of agreeing I think. When bad things happen, society likes to blame everyone and everything apart from (usually) the people who do it. At some point, people have to take responsibilty for their actions.

Having said that though, I am uneasy about this sponsorship. On a selfish level, as a Bulls fan, I welcome it. On a more general level, I don't like what Provident do, but my argument is more with the society that leaves people in such desperate situations that they use the services of organisations such as Provident. I would help anyone of my friends or family, if I could, to stop them using such companies. But it does not make them the devil incarnate.
The devil incarnate sits much higher up the food chain.
I do however, hope that Provident are serious when they say they are wanting to give something back to the community. We will see.

I unlike Durham Giant am not worthy, I would have to be Smug, Righteous, Pious and Moralistic, so I will say thank you Provident for supporting my team.
I may wear a hairshirt to attone for my sins but then again I think I will buy a Bulls one.

Did Barcelona advertise UNICEF for free ? If so then good on them. If not then i wouldn't be happy with any of my donations being used to sponsor such a big global brand name as Barcelona football club.

At the time Barcelona actually paid to have the UNICEF logo on their shirts. Having fallen on harder times, Barca are now sponsored by the Qatar Foundation, which is non profit.

I did wander when i first saw UNICEF on their shirts. Thanks for clearing that up.

Here is the link for the BBC documentary. www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... _Doorstep/ another link, www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19748048

Here is the link for the BBC documentary. www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... _Doorstep/ another link, www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19748048