The way the system is seems to play into the hands of players with longer term contracts. They secure their future by signing a long contract but if something like this happens they put themselves on the market to see who bites. If the club is saved then they win as their contract is passed over and they were happy with it when they signed it.

However, if they hit upon a club who offers them more money they just bide their time and refuse to be under contract to the new owners when offered. If no one offers them a better contract they just realise they're on a good thing where they are and stay. It's win win for them unless the club goes under.

I feel sorry for the out-of-contract players who have expected a new contract then a short sentence in a newspaper quoted from their coach hints the whole lot of out-of-contract players are on their way out. They're suddenly trying to find new clubs, new careers etc.

As for Kopczak he's hardly set the world on fire this season anyway. Good luck to him in his new club!

What legal fast one is that? Do enlighten us?

Be aware in your reply that some of us on here are clearly far better acquainted with the insolvency legislation than you seem to be, so we await your response with interest.

I would also suggest in your response you indicate why your statement does not constitute a libel on Mr Khan and/or his company.

Well moving away from the Giants bashing... which i think it is too early to do due to the little information we have been given but thats just my opinion!

Hopefully Koppie getting his letter on the 3rd of Sept saying his contract was TUPEd across to the new company as of the 31st Aug means he is the only one to serve notice against it and make leave!

Hopefully the majority of the other contracted players have agreed and we can get some OOC signed up now and concentrate on rugby league next season instead!

Wow more threads on matches than finances! I have a dream....

you really have no clue what happened between fc and gateshead do you?

It's all been explained many times over, but you are plainly far too thick to have a clue what it all means. You could start by googling TUPE but in a nutshell when taking over a business the new owner takes on all the existing contracts as is and has no choice in the matter. That help, idiot? '"

Only that Gateshead were removed from SL all their playing staff and administrative staff were transfered to what was Hull Sharks and SL funded the new club to the tune of £1.25 million over 2 years to keep the Hull club alive.

Quote: ifallwerelikemumby "Only that Gateshead were removed from SL all their playing staff and administrative staff were transfered to what was Hull Sharks and SL funded the new club to the tune of £1.25 million over 2 years to keep the Hull club alive.'" they weren't removed, they ceased to exist as they were about to go bust! hull fc asked to play in the then northern ford premiership but some clubs chairmen at the time, (mainly our smaller neighbours) blocked that route hoping hull fc itself would go bust, only then the RFL stepped in and offered the two teams the money to merge with the gateshead board deciding to fold and move all admin and playing staff to hull fc! hull fc didnt kill off gateshead superleague club, the fans that stopped going did that as they were only getting 1000-2000 fans by the latter stages of the season as you can see by this match report! www.hullfc.com/first-team/match/ ... under-6-25

Quote: ifallwerelikemumby "Only that Gateshead were removed from SL all their playing staff and administrative staff were transfered to what was Hull Sharks and SL funded the new club to the tune of £1.25 million over 2 years to keep the Hull club alive.'" they weren't removed, they ceased to exist as they were about to go bust! hull fc asked to play in the then northern ford premiership but some clubs chairmen at the time, (mainly our smaller neighbours) blocked that route hoping hull fc itself would go bust, only then the RFL stepped in and offered the two teams the money to merge with the gateshead board deciding to fold and move all admin and playing staff to hull fc! hull fc didnt kill off gateshead superleague club, the fans that stopped going did that as they were only getting 1000-2000 fans by the latter stages of the season as you can see by this match report! www.hullfc.com/first-team/match/ ... under-6-25

Regarding the Hull Sharks/Gateshead merger.....

'Andrew Whitelam, a Super League spokesman, said: "The clubs recognised this was an extremely important matter, and the final decision was not taken lightly. They gave unanimous support to the merger after considering every possible option to keep Super League in the north-east and to keep the Hull club alive.'

Seems to have been sucked down the memory-hole on Humberside.

Back to the issue at hand, I hope this matter puts and end to supporters buying into the façade of player loyalty. The vast majority of players would cross the the road for more money, home town heroes included.

Likewise clubs do not owe professional players anything other than to honour the terms of their contract. Players are not fans, some do not even care that much for the sport, they just happen to be able to make money playing it. Obviously, there are exceptions to this too.

But like the Bulls if the RL had not stepped in Hull would have gone bust. You were saying why should the new Bulls owner get all the players contracts, well I guess Hull FC got all the contracts of those players from Hull Sharks and Gateshead (well those they wanted to keep) so why say our new owner should not get them, he will have to honour them.

I think playing would have been notice to transfer to the new owner but also not notifying the owners or potter or whoever that he doesnt consent, i would assume means he will be TUPEd across!

TUPEd regs say they have the right to not consent and therefore walk but it doesnt give them an unlimited period or any type of standard form of acceptance from what i can see so merely not raising anything in a reasonable time period i would class as acceptance!

Am sure we will find out more in the couple days or weeks!

The players have 2 weeks from the 31st August to inform the club that they do not consent to their contract being transfered under the TUPE as i understand it regardless of playing in the Catalans game

I've been tupe'd myself in the last 2 years! Continuing normal duties beyond the cut off date is seen as acceptance of the new contract, and the signing of it is a formality, although like all legal formalities it does have to be done ( especially if you think your empoyer might not want you to tansfer across!). So any player who on any day in the last 10 has trained as part of their routine as a bulls player, has effectively accepted to transfer their contract to the new company.

I am absolutely disgusted withy Craig Kopzcak, and if as expected he signs for Huddersfield, the Giants organisation. Guilfoyle was seen as a villain by many, but the players were paid every month, and almost on time, with one payment being a day late. He knew that the only asset the club had was the players and resisted some pretty strong temptation to sell players, knowing that with the top players gone, the club was a less attractive investment! for pity's sake, the people supporting, training, and treating Kopzcak have been doing it for free since July! This shows a lack of respect for the fans, and the people who have pulled out all the stops to keep the club going! He is totally lacking any class or respect!

I understand that the players have bills ot pay and families to feed, but the timing of this was appaling! the week of two matches that could have seen us in the playoffs! I am also sure that some of our squad have offers on the table from clubs in case we dont get in Superleague, but at least they have done the honourable thing and played on!

If he ends up at Huddersfield, then the esteem that their club, and some individuals involved in the managment of that club is held by Bradford fans will be tarnished, and rightly so! This time last week, I finished reading Robbie Paul's book and was thinking just how much of a Bradford legend he still is. Over the last 48 hours that opinion has chnaged somewhat! The same to a similar degree applies to Paul Anderson.

The giants want to hurt us as they think that our demise will lead to their crowds growing. Lets hope that they are proven wrong!

Sounds like Whitehead isnt happy with the way Kopczak has gone about things according to T & A