that was abysmal nothing else to say really i dont know about anyone else but for some reason i always expect us to come good in the end and it never seems to pull off , think the penny is starting to drop now though that unless we sign some proper quality instead of people who are trying to resurect their career we will be going nowhere , its such an awful feeling seeing people like huddersfield sign proven class like o'donnel and play his heart out for them week in week out and a supposed big club like us are relying on kids in our forwards .... does anyone know what happened to tom burgess aswell didnt look good like he did his knee or something?

One of the main problems is, as I've said after previous games, the edge defence.

This is certainly not aided when you're putting new partnerships together every single game. We need some sort of consistency in our three-quarter line. Platt's imminent return will certainly steel up the backline (who'd have thought that 18 months ago?!).

We need some steel in the backrow too. It's all very well playing the kids but you need to be sparing with them. Elima didn't look fit yesterday. We look short of firepower there.

Oh for a Karl Fairbank type player to add some oomph to our defence.

Yup, you do get that with Langley but it's a mystery as to when his next injury will come. Donno is clearly short of match practice and hopefully that will improve as he continues his comeback.

This for me is an issue. He's only young and coming back from a bad injury that means he shouldn't be straight in the team expected to work so much. Obviously the amount of game time he's being forced into at the moment is down to injuries and Sibbits loss of form but it detracts from the effectiveness of the pack. Elima wasn't fit either that was clear to see.

Totally agree with that, a move for Trent Waterhouse who is out of contract with Penrith at the end of the year would'nt go a miss.

Was Diskin the better hooker yesterday!!!!

Notice I didn't use a question mark. I believe we came out on top in that piece of business. We play again in about, we'll see what happens then.

A few on the Salford forum are hinting that Godwin is a better hooker than Alker! Maybe, he's found himself in the right place at the right time, and he'll show some consistency with the Reds. Definitely been one of our better players so far.

Wagga was a good player for us. Unfortunately he and L'Estrange were too similar in style of play. Diskin became available and we decided to change the hooking combination

I'd have Diskin before Godwin any day of the week. No disrespect to Wagga but Diskin's a different class.