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Quote: Duckman "Yep, it makes the wins against Saints and Leeds look more and more like aberrations, today was all too typical of our true level of ability as a unit it seems. And we're not improving as the weeks go by are we?'"


Yes.

Yes.
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Bloody depressing, for sure.

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Here's my take on it. This team can beat anyone IF they try.

The problem is they never seem to want to try. That's a motivational issue and therefore the blame lies at the feet of the head coach and his staff.

If they can't get the same level of performance out of the team for a game against Celtic that they can get for a game against Saints then they're not doing their jobs

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Quote: Roofaldo "Here's my take on it. This team can beat anyone IF they try.

The problem is they never seem to want to try. That's a motivational issue and therefore the blame lies at the feet of the head coach and his staff.

If they can't get the same level of performance out of the team for a game against Celtic that they can get for a game against Saints then they're not doing their jobs'"



Motivation and confidence is whats lacking. If you look at the players we have, we should certainly not be 12th. It's own to coaching, pure and simple. McNamara does not know how to get the best from his players.

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Quote: Duckman "Yep, it makes the wins against Saints and Leeds look more and more like aberrations, today was all too typical of our true level of ability as a unit it seems. And we're not improving as the weeks go by are we?'"


It shows how poor we have become. Few years back know one would "bat" an eyelid if we beat either of these teams, yet this season the results are considered to be upsets.

We should never be in this position, with the squad we have. I put alot down to the poor performances, motivation and effort by the players, but the coach must bring this out of his team. Macca has obviously failed.

I do hope he leaves, although that seems unlikely. If he did leave, i would be un-sure who to bring in, and change us into a winning team again next season. Any ideas?

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Well, IIRC this is the first season where we've lost more games than we won since 91-92, the year we almost got relegated. And it looks very much like we'll put on our lowest league placing since then this year also (in fact 8th or below will do it so, yup, that one's in the bag too).

Why has this happened? No one on here really knows. Maybe someone could ask SM why he thought we'd see a different Bradford in the second half of the season, and why that different Bradford does not appear to have materialised.

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A loss without being spectacularly bad.
In the game again, could have won it again, a few bad calls again, some bad decisions by us again, some awful mistakes again.

'"


Unfortunately we WERE spectacularly bad. No structure or organisation in attack, leading to players misreading the set plays and BOTH halves passing to the opposition. To be clear these were not intercepts, they were passes behind an attacking line to a second man who wasn't there and both Deacon and Sykes were guilty. What amused me were people getting upset at the lack of a call for a knock on after opposition players dived on the ball. We gift them possession and then want the referee to give us the ball back and get upset when he doesn't. The calls of forward on almost every pass from Harlequins also show how increasingly desperate we are! Let's be clear we showed little or no creativity, compounded by a lack of go forward and looked like a team of individuals some of whom were trying, some of whom had already given up on the season or know their fortunes lie elsewhere.

Defensively we were hopeless, people coming out of the line, trying to put hits on rather than tackle (Scruton, Morrison and others), messing around and needlessly gifting field position and possession through penalties etc.
It wasn't that we weren't bad, it was that we were awful against poor opposition and that made us look average whilst losing.

A lack of structure in defense and attack, poor discipline, little team coherence and motivation indicate poor coaching. It's not a mystery, it's not unfathomable, it's not a strange phenomenon unseen elsewhere. It's the cumulative result of poor coaching that cannot be hidden, disguised or otherwise wished away by the possibility of some alternative future scenario where the poor coach becomes the skillful harbinger of a great Bradford revival based upon youth, which is only achievable through his stewardship, or because no one else wants the job.

Personally I think the 're-building' will begin when Macca goes, the evidence points to a modest improvement in youth recruitment being used as evidence of some behind the scenes masterplan, when the truth is Macca is out of his depth, Hood isn't brutal enough to move on and the financial implications are bad either way. Meaning we're 'muddling through' meaning losing our walk up attendance, our profile in the City and managing to alienate a good proportion of the core of fans remaining.

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This was a specific case though - I was not presuming to take issue with anyone else.'"


Roughly translated - I will conveniently ignore this issue as I have a clear agenda with someone else on the board who does not agree with me.

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Macca in his interview alluded to the fact we HAVE some exciting players lined up for next year, who they are we'll see in time, but fingers crossed.
'"


He is hardly gonna say anything different though is he?

However, this is the man who promised that the bulls would turn it around in the second half of the season so I will take everything the guy says with a large pinch of salt.


Quote: Wigan Bull "I think we'll begin to see a different club in 2010'"


Have you heard a whisper that McNamara is about to start clearing his desk?

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Quote: anarkik "Unfortunately we WERE spectacularly bad. No structure or organisation in attack, leading to players misreading the set plays and BOTH halves passing to the opposition. To be clear these were not intercepts, they were passes behind an attacking line to a second man who wasn't there and both Deacon and Sykes were guilty. What amused me were people getting upset at the lack of a call for a knock on after opposition players dived on the ball. We gift them possession and then want the referee to give us the ball back and get upset when he doesn't. The calls of forward on almost every pass from Harlequins also show how increasingly desperate we are! Let's be clear we showed little or no creativity, compounded by a lack of go forward and looked like a team of individuals some of whom were trying, some of whom had already given up on the season or know their fortunes lie elsewhere.

Defensively we were hopeless, people coming out of the line, trying to put hits on rather than tackle (Scruton, Morrison and others), messing around and needlessly gifting field position and possession through penalties etc.
It wasn't that we weren't bad, it was that we were awful against poor opposition and that made us look average whilst losing.

A lack of structure in defense and attack, poor discipline, little team coherence and motivation indicate poor coaching. It's not a mystery, it's not unfathomable, it's not a strange phenomenon unseen elsewhere. It's the cumulative result of poor coaching that cannot be hidden, disguised or otherwise wished away by the possibility of some alternative future scenario where the poor coach becomes the skillful harbinger of a great Bradford revival based upon youth, which is only achievable through his stewardship, or because no one else wants the job.

Personally I think the 're-building' will begin when Macca goes, the evidence points to a modest improvement in youth recruitment being used as evidence of some behind the scenes masterplan, when the truth is Macca is out of his depth, Hood isn't brutal enough to move on and the financial implications are bad either way. Meaning we're 'muddling through' meaning losing our walk up attendance, our profile in the City and managing to alienate a good proportion of the core of fans remaining.'"


Again, its pretty hard to argue with any of that. Unfortunately.

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Yep u were poor against a team that is struggling for form. Your crowd was also poor in terms of noise. First time I have been to Odsal and heard no vocal support. What has happened to crowd atmosphere? Supporting your team through rough times is important and staying slient does not help the team despite what is going on (or not) on the pitch.

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Quote: mystic eddie "Roughly translated - I will conveniently ignore this issue as I have a clear agenda with someone else on the board who does not agree with me.'"


Not at all. I stand by what I (and I see some others) said. You give the impression of rushing to get on here to peddle your unhealthy obsessive agenda with seeming great authority whenever we lose (even though, unlike nearly everyone else who posts, you have not even seen the match). Yet, on those all-too-rare occasions we win, you have little if anything of value to say.

Whilst I have no intention of wasting my time proving my point with statistics - although I have no doubt whatsoever I could with ease if I had to - it is worth noting just by way of example that you posted a mere three times on the main post-Celtic thread. One of those posts was a flippant OT post about the coach travel, and the other two were (your usual) heavily-sarcastic posts which offered little by way of satisfaction that we had actually won something. That's all.

From a very quick look, you have posted at least eight attacks on the coach already since yesterday evening, in one of which you told another poster to "shut up", and a similar number of times in response to other people taking issue with your posts where you primarily attacked or derided the poster not the issue.

QED.

Red (with whom I exchange opinions and seek opinion etc quite regularly out of the public eye, and whose views I respect even though we often do not agree) raised a fair, if unconnected, point. And I responded to it.

For the avoidance of doubt: my issue is not that you blame Macca for pretty well everything, and I disagree with you. Plenty of others, I suggest probably far more qualified to comment than either you or I, are playing hell about the coaching. My issue is with your destructive sarcastic and relentless campaign, whilst failing to offer practicable constructive solutions or to listen to those who try to point out the limitations in what the club can do.

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Quote: daftdad "Yep u were poor against a team that is struggling for form. Your crowd was also poor in terms of noise. First time I have been to Odsal and heard no vocal support. What has happened to crowd atmosphere? Supporting your team through rough times is important and staying slient does not help the team despite what is going on (or not) on the pitch.'"


Sound and wise comments.

I guess you have to have endured what we have endured for the whole season to better appreciate why many (most?) of the fans appear to have pretty well just given up. Those in our little group are certainly as guilty of that as the next man.

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Seemed to me that both the players and the fans realised that the play offs were a pipe dream. Unfortunatyely yesterday's performance was fairly typical of this year.

I still think the problem is overwhelmingly poor recruitment. We clearly have a few decent young players coming through and given some good signings could start to move forward again. But we need someone capable of finding and signing the hidden gems, rather than players that flatter to deceive.

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Quote: Roofaldo "Here's my take on it. This team can beat anyone IF they try.

The problem is they never seem to want to try. That's a motivational issue and therefore the blame lies at the feet of the head coach and his staff.

If they can't get the same level of performance out of the team for a game against Celtic that they can get for a game against Saints then they're not doing their jobs'"


I know where you're coming from and I agree to a point regarding trying and motivation, but my take was more worrying, I felt there was lots of individual effort being put in yesterday by the majority of the players (some more than others mind). But it was not applied correctly and was not applied as a team, it was all individual stuff. The couple of times we did link up the play with support players we looked dangerous, like for Nero's try, but that was unplanned off the cuff linking up by basically talented players, it was not a planned move or a result of months of drill work and practice.

I think the players are trying, but they dont have the correct structures and cant seem to attack or defend as a team for sustained periods (like 2 40 min spells 1.08349609375:5
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