I spoke to Jaz after yesterday and he said he is coaching the team 24/7

Shocking if true

Im going to be ever the optimist. This season wont go against his CV thus why no VISA. Nest season when the restructure happens he will get his visa then have money to bring in his own squad not a squad scraped together out of nothingness that he had no control over. The problem is the greatest coach in the world wouldnt make a difference with the quality of some of the players and burnt out young players.

It may seem daft but the more abject the displays the lack of resigning current squad members could be pointing that way. The problem is by the time it comes to head the core support will have gone

Yes, true pimp007 that could be a possibility for toovey.

Add to that the Big Nige link and koukash money and the newly formed "BradSal City Reds" will take Champ 1 by storm.
All the ex-bulls fans will have no other team to support so will we start drifting back to our Odsal home - because we cant live without our weekend fix.

Not being able to bring in new players was what killed his NRL career so, even though that was probably more a case of not wanting to 'shunt out' his former team mates at Manly, I would doubt he has much experience in setting up 'his own team' either. To be honest, I'd have preferred to hang onto Rohan Smith, obviously, I accept that costings have had to be considered.

Very good point also. He did inherit a very good team that he was obviously a part of. I am totally with you on the point of Smith. He seemed to have players that wanted to play for him, but also picked up a couple of unknowns and they turned out to be great. Also I believe inthis day and age maybe Smiths more relaxed coaching style is they way forward, rather than the screaming the house down Toovey seems to do.

I asked this back in June. I don't think he's a bad coach. He's just not what we need/ed. I thought it back then. I'm convinced now

Wouldn't bother me if he want back home. Okay He had a bad hand dealt, but surely any type of coach ought to be able to install the basics into full time players

Beechwood - couldn't agree more. Also, whilst Toovey is not responsible for fitness I fail to see why week in week out our full-time professionals appear to be less fit than so called part-timers - no sense?

We have the dregs of RL playing for us. They had no pre season and the club conditioner was changed mid season. I'd suggest we started unfit and fatigue has taken its course.

A number of players in the squad aren't happy and want away but nobody wants them. Hence the results. TBH I didn't expect us to win another game this season so the results against Swinton and Oldham were a surprise. Judging Toovey in these circumstances is unfair - You could put anyone in charge and our rabble would still be putting in the poor performances. I don't expect him to be around next year. He'd be mad to stay.

Accept all that. But when did you last see dummy runners, either one up or two? Even Swinton were doing that. On fitness, I have heard it forever about this lack of a pre-season. But these are full time players, what have they been doing all week, every week, surely the answer is building up fitness. They must (?) have an advantage over part timers training on a Tuesday and Thursday night. Has that been evident?

If some players can't be bothered I'd say it doesn't matter if they're fulltime or not. Support running and dummy running comes from enthusiasm to actually back up your teammate. Same thing applies in defence. I think some players are basically lazy or lack the moral fibre to get stuck in. We've got a side that has a losing culture and it's being further ingrained during this disastrous season. It's no wonder the younger players want to move - they're only going to do damage to their careers by playing in a side with players that aren't bothered. The sooner this ordeal is over the better. But that begs the question will 2018 be any better? From the lack of information coming out who knows?