Wonder if we're planning on using l'estrange at standoff. Seems odd to name all three hookers in 19. Unless we're planning on using them all in some form would have one would have made more sense for one to have been left out and wood included.

In regards to Roberts, he looks exceptionally skinny for a forward. He maybe ripping it up in the U19's, but it's a big step up to first team. He doesn't look physically ready to take on Manu, Puletua etc

But the coach knows more than me. Doubt we will see him play though.

Round 12

Bradford Bulls 6 - 36 Wigan Warriors
St Helens 12 - 22 Catalan Dragons

Challenge Cup Round 4

Rochdale Hornets 10 - 70 Bradford Bulls
Hull KR 26 - 18 St Helens

Round 13

Warrington Wolves 32 - 4 Bradford Bulls
London Broncos 21 - 14 St Helens

Round 14

Bradford Bulls 22 - 42 Leeds Rhinos
St Helens 28 - 35 Widnes Vikings

Challenge Cup Round 5

London Broncos 25 - 16 Bradford Bulls

Round 15

Salford City Reds 7 - 28 Bradford Bulls
Leeds Rhinos 22 - 30 St Helens

Round 16 - Magic Weekend

Bradford Bulls 6 - 42 Huddersfield Giants
St Helens 22 - 48 Warrington Wolves

Round 17

Hull KR 28 - 18 Bradford Bulls
Huddersfield Giants 25 - 16 St Helens


They are the results from Round 12 onwards. Yes I was wrong about the results. I can admit that I was wrong about that. 1 in 7 for both teams. Our win came against Salford (who at the time had a new-ish coach and have probably the second worse squad in the league), St Helens win came against the current Champions and World Champions Leeds (who at the time were on an unbeaten run of 7 league games and only had two key injuries in Peacock and Ablett).

For the past 3 weeks St Helens have been on television for all to see. They went behind early doors against Leeds (16-0 down in the first 25 minutes) but came back with an outstanding performance to beat them 30-22. They went down early to a near full strength Warrington (12-0 down) then fought back with sbut ome quality rugby league before the class of Warrington showed and took the game away from the young Saints side. Then came Huddersfield last weekend (18-0 down after 32 minutes) yet managed to fight back and give the Giants a scare before the class of Brough and the size of the Giants finally got them home.

Now onto us the Bradford Bulls. We started our last 3 weeks at Salford (2nd bottom with the highest points difference against). We went 7-6 down after gifting Salford possession with a number of mistakes. Thankfully we picked our game up enough to post a few more tries and beat Salford (2nd from bottom if not bottom at the time) 28-7. Next game for us was Huddersfield at the Magic Weekend. We were shocking, appauling, I could go on describing it but you get the picture. Missed tackles galore and we never looked like scoring a try until Foster got on the end of a Kear tap back. It was a complete joke of a performance. Hull KR last week, played some good rugby to get in front with Sammut (the man who we rely on) but lost 28-18 thanks to ill disipline and missed tackles. We managed to hold out till around the 70 minute mark (please correct me if I'm wrong) but then gave away 2 tries. The one from the kick-off maybe couldn't be helped but the one before was a result of a poor kick on our behalf.

The point I'm trying to make is although we are both 1 from 7, the St Helens side has performed better on the pitch than us against better sides. I know as a player that when you face adversity (as Saints and Bulls have been doing) then to perform well and still lose or beat one big team can lift you. The Bulls got hammered they won't be lifted, losing players left right and centre and will be demoralized. The Saints side will have looked at their last few performances and think we have done well, but still a little disappointed to lose. That is why I can only see Saints winning by 18 plus points. Sorry for the long post, I do respect all your opinions but don't think I'm stupid for giving mine. I am only trying to share what I see and interpret. I hope I'm wrong and the Bulls win of course but I can't see it.

Why would I think you were "stupid"? Stating a reasoned opinion should be the bread and butter of any forum.

I've watched the same games and don't think we've been quite as bad as you think, especially taking into consideration a shortage of fully fit players and players having to play busted. I agree that we will struggle to beat Saints if we can't field 17 pretty much fully fit men, but I smell a backs-to-the-wall performance coming

I didn't mean you FA I agree with your comment that Saints (as a club though) are in freefall. The comment you quoted was for Davey999 or whatever his username is.

I think compared to the Saints performances we have been terrible (good in our own right) but considering Saints had 2 VERY important players missing for a large chunk (Lomax and Roby) of the season and other injuries to their pack they have still been putting on outstanding performances and are blood quality youngsters (Percival for one) and we haven't been producing performances anywhere near what they have and the best player we can offer from the youth is Jobe Murphy. No offence but he's not very good :/

Well done Bulls Boy,this thread is only 1 behind Debasers now

Doh

What you posting in here for?

Oh whoops.

Don't know,e not again

lol, don't get offended, I actually wrote out my last post with a smile on my face.

You referred to Saints form as 'On Fire', even the most optimistic of Saints fans would struggle to agree with that post.

I watched them against Huddersfield and they were poor. Huddersfield took their foot off the gas and let Saints back into it. Even when the game was closer, Saints looked out of ideas going forward and made too many mistakes.

1 win in 8 is probably the worst form by any Saints team to ever play Super League, they are quite clearly not on fire. They may be playing better then previous and they may improve with the returning players, but they have been poor recently.

Again, try not to read the above as an aggressive response, i'm still smiling as I write. I'm open for a good discussion, and maybe shouldn't have used the word stupid, but it was easier to spell than ridiculous.

are we winning yet.....

Debasers losing 21-17 before this post,bloody hell I keep forgetting

Oh I'm not offended lol. I just felt that your response meant that I had to explain my point in full. It is without doubt the worst St Helens team in the Super League era. And yes they have been poor in parts but the fact that they can capitalize on these opportunities is a hell of a lot more than we can do.

Like I said over the past few weeks they have played some very good rugby against some very good teams (Warrington and Huddersfield especially in defence). We have a poor defence and will be exploited by the likes of Percival out wide and Manu up the middle. That's not even taking into consideration that damage Roby will do up the middle and a returning Lomax too.

Can an admin merge the thread so me and debaser can join in the spoils of war please, or just lock his either way it works for me

Advantage Broadybull

Will you all just clear off to the other thread please.