This thread is a bit double edged. The two categories of `hard` and `nasty` are not necessarily mutually inclusive; Jeff Grayshon, for instance, was as hard as nails nut not nasty. On the other hand Leon Pryce could be quite nasty but..........

If looking at hard men of more recent times, would not Sir Bernard warrant a mention in dispatches?

So, who's in your 'hard but fair' pack? Bernard would be a shoe-in for that one.

JP.

Another nominee for both tough and nasty - Jim Mills.

Has got a bit nasty in the last year or so though. Always played fair before, but for some reason, he seems to have developed an angry streak lately.

Ok then give us a hard but fair pack and and nasty barsteward pack.

Mills would be a good for the barstewards.

Although not when he played for us. When he joined us he actually had a reputation as being a bit of a pussy cat. Didnt run his weight, didnt like to make the hard yards and not much of a tackler. He seemed to toughen up considerably with us but didnt really develop the nasty reputation until after he played in aus.

If it's not ungracious of me to suggest so, you may have a small advantage of age over me here. I know that I definitely saw Jim Mills playing for us, but I don't actually [iremember[/i him playing, as I was very young. By the time he was back in the UK, I remember him well. Seem to remember we had another disappointing prop who went on to be great for Widnes - Brian Hogan. We're getting off topic there, though, as I wouldn't put him in the top bracked for either toughness or nastiness for either team.

Hard but fair:

Jimmy Thompson
Tony Fisher
Frank Whitcombe
Trevor Foster
Jamie Peacock
Len Casey


Hard and not necessarily all that fair on occasions. Allegedly.

Kelvin Skerrett
James Lowes
Brian McDermott
Alan Rathbone
Karl Fairbank
Frank Foster

thought that too - especially do of Len.