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| Quote rugbyreddog="rugbyreddog"I may have seen it mentioned in the previous 100+ pages and I have forgotten but why is Sawyer involved? Everyone is getting something out of it so what's in it for him?'"
The £2,000 rent per game agreement will help. Tell me any Championship that can turn down £30,000 plus?
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| Quote MicktheGled="MicktheGled"The £2,000 rent per game agreement will help. Tell me any Championship that can turn down £30,000 plus?'"
He'd be getting that 30k irrespective of whether he was involved in the running of Bradford though surely. What's in it for him to actually take the role he has done?
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| Well, he's in a position to ensure they get the £30K, I suppose - which given the (alleged) tardiness of paying other clubs might not be a bad thing for Dewsbury. That said, with Dewsbury officials on the gate it may well be taken at source....
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| Quote thepimp007="thepimp007"Well kudos to you for knowing exactly what Thorne was going to do or not.
You must by saying definite 12 points in your first post'"
The club was already liquidated when Thorne came to an agreement with the administrator, he created a new business in Jan 2017 so pretty clear,RFL also said in bidding process would be a 12 point deduction. Like I said a bit of research helps
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| Quote bulls2487="bulls2487"The club was already liquidated when Thorne came to an agreement with the administrator, he created a new business in Jan 2017 so pretty clear,RFL also said in bidding process would be a 12 point deduction. Like I said a bit of research helps'"
Well you obviously didn't research yourself correctly when previously saying
its 12 points unless you pay off all creditors so unless
So now you change your tune to definite 12 points regardless. Seems you didn't do your own research until after commenting
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| Quote MicktheGled="MicktheGled"The £2,000 rent per game agreement will help. Tell me any Championship that can turn down £30,000 plus?'"
That was agreed weeks ago Mick,when the move to Dewsbury was finalised.So Mark Sawyer/The Rams were guaranteed that money.Why take it to the next level and get involved with our mess.I certainly dont buy the "I just wanted to help" rubbish been peddled about.Thats nearly as embarrassing as Eric Perez's nonsense "I fell.in love with Bradford Bulls ".Course you did Eric.
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| As the RFL are seemingly directing this so called buy out, it surely is incumbent on them to keep supporters and fans in the loop.They are showing scant regard for the feelings of those who have committed, in good faith, to buying St's.The rest, like myself, need clarity and regular updates on the progress and viability for our future security. I stubbornly want to believe in the integrity of the powers that be, despite all the doubters, but have to concede that there has to be a cover up going on. If so, this is scandalous and like others I want the perpetrators held to account and the Club somehow compensated fully, for any corrupt actions that may have hindered it's progress. I sincerely hope that those who submitted, what on the face of it, were better offers, are not reluctant to oil the wheels of retribution in the event of RFL culpability. Have to say that seeing JK continuing his pre-season schedule is akin to the band playing as theTitanic sunk. But boy, do I have total admiration for him and the players in his charge, including everyone employed who are not shirking their responsibilities or allegiances.
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| Quote thepimp007="thepimp007"Well you obviously didn't research yourself correctly when previously saying
its 12 points unless you pay off all creditors so unless
So now you change your tune to definite 12 points regardless. Seems you didn't do your own research until after commenting'"
You said it was 6 points so I advised it was incorrect.
The rules are its 12 points but less if you pay all creditors back.
With the Bulls they had no choice so Thorne would of taken a 12 point deduction which you said may said not be the case. Read the RFL press release below.
In accordance with the RFL’s press release, it is currently the RFL’s intention that the new Company will be placed in the Championship in 2017 with a 12-point deduction and with the same central distributions as the 12th placed Club (i.e. £150k).
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| Quote bulls2487="bulls2487"If the contract was offered by Chalmers/Mcfarlane etc maybe the contract offered was more the club can now afford? You can't really blame the new owners for withdrawing an offer when its all about cutting costs after another overspend. Or would we rather see them stretch the budget again?'"
Trust me, this player was one of the lowest paid players in the team so I cannot see how the club cannot afford it, especially given they have publicly stated their playing budget will be still significantly higher than most Championship sides.
The main issue is that players have committed to a deal, been strung along by the club for months and then hung out to dry. The player I know has been lucky to find a deal that will work for him in the short term but that sends out a really bad message to other players thinking about joining the club.
Agents are already taking their players out in vast numbers (the postman doesn't seem to deliver to the Dewsbury postcode  ) and others will certainly think twice when they have a number of offers on the table.
I totally get us cutting cloth accordingly and would agree with this being a sensible way to go, but to go about their business the way they are doing... no thank you!!!
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| Quote Highlander="Highlander"What would it take to get people back? What else does the club need to do?
The club is doing all the usual things - resigning players (Would signing a couple of new players help, rather than keeping last years?)
Preseason training has started - media being released.
Employees being interviewed - coaching staff & players
Preseason friendlies starting to be announced
Ticket offers being announced - the Blackpool bash (meh) and the free tickets for community club u12 and younger juniors - bit more significant
Is it all about transparency? An inquiry and if mismanagement is found then punishment. Is that what we are looking for?
Or do we just not want Wood to be involved? More specifically, do we want Wood to be formally exonerated by an inquiry before we accept him....
Would we be happier if it was announced all (non-director) creditors had been paid back? Is that what it would take? That would be a statement of intent. Would help calm my background fear that administration is still pending.
There are just too many questions without answers.'"
All valid questions. For me the club and the RFL cannot be separated and until a full independent investigation is undertaken into the RFL's involvement in:
a) purchasing the leasehold at Odsal - why did they do it really?, what was the due diligence?, did they know or had they even considered the ramifications such a decision would have on the club and their credit position?
b) the reasoning behind their choice of every owner that has failed since the first administration in 2012 - what bids were tabled? and why did they chose certain bids over others?
and c) what is the process involved in proving the successful bidders were fit and proper for owning a club? - what checks take place?, are they financially vetted?, is proof of funds verified?
Until all these questions are answered, I don't think anyone can have any trust whatsoever that the club is in safe hands, particularly as much of the recent poor history of the club has gone on when the game was in the stewardship of the majority shareholder.
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| For committed, long suffering Bulls fans I guess this topic is their top priority, but looking at the wider struggles and future of the game I fear it is a soon to be forgotten side show. The Super league will increasingly be an international competition (Toronto, New York, France 2 etc) and only a handful of the current top UK teams will remain. The Bulls long ago missed their chance to get back on the ladder and the TV cheque book and the owners of the Wolfpack are in the driving seat. A reasonably competent RFL and a less self serving Super League might have had more control over the process but their incompetence has handed the wheel over to the disrupters.
Wondering how you get Tongan citizenship
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| a) purchasing the leasehold at Odsal - why did they do it really?, what was the due diligence?, did they know or had they even considered the ramifications such a decision would have on the club and their credit position?
The answer to this is very simple.
The RFL had lent peter hood £750k which they were in danger of losing if the club went bust.
So by paying an additional 450k and spinning it as they did they covered their a***s
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