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The NRL ruling I reckon will be rescinded, the ruling reworked or the Refs modify the way they look at it, there were two incidents in the NRL All Stars match, Inglis wasn't pinged cause he was static and Rose was cause he was moving! It will be interesting to see if the NRL Refs heed the call to speed up the PTB by various Coachs! One noticable positive during that match and I hope it continues was the lack of referral to the Video Ref! So we shall see if having an ex Coach in charge of the Refs has the good outcome everyone wants. I hope so as it could mean bye bye Cummings!
Well Maybe not!! www.nrl.com/rlif-bans-shoulder-c ... fault.aspx
Union will be the only real contact sport left (won't inc NFL to much padding!) |
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The NRL ruling I reckon will be rescinded, the ruling reworked or the Refs modify the way they look at it, there were two incidents in the NRL All Stars match, Inglis wasn't pinged cause he was static and Rose was cause he was moving! It will be interesting to see if the NRL Refs heed the call to speed up the PTB by various Coachs! One noticable positive during that match and I hope it continues was the lack of referral to the Video Ref! So we shall see if having an ex Coach in charge of the Refs has the good outcome everyone wants. I hope so as it could mean bye bye Cummings!
Well Maybe not!! www.nrl.com/rlif-bans-shoulder-c ... fault.aspx
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Translation: "He is charged with striking shoulder to head, which I agree is ridiculous so don't know why I just posted the rest of that, and apologise to the noble Bulls fans I just had a go at". ![]()
The charge is strike to the head, they AFAIK haven't stated whether they considered it late or not. Perhaps when the judgement is made they will comment. Most seem now to graciously accept it was late, IMO it was deliberately late because when I saw the replays you can see Scruton lining O'Brien up to hit him with the upper part of his chest/shoulder. After the impact Scruton spins round with the force of the impact. A classic textbook big hit but delivered late.
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| Quote: Adeybull "It was NOT a deliberate off-the-ball clattering. '"
It was. Called by John Kear on first replay, backed up by Clarke, then the 2 muppets. |
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The movement of the head is from O'Brien towards Scruton, so Scruton hit shoulder to shoulder and then O'Brien tries to head butt his shoulder.
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| Quote: Adeybull "That's a good point.
If the beak decides Scrutes is guilty, its a kick in the nuts for Mr Ganson And Mr Silverwood, as well as the touchies.
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A bit like the disciplinary panel ignoring the ruling of Tim Roby who was stood 3 yards and lookng directly at the Chase on Hardaker tackle and ruled a knock on.
Quote: Adeybull "For me, the clincher was that we did not see half the Cas pack pile in to bray hell out of Scrutes..'"
Again, a bit like the Leeds pack who didn't "pile in" when Chase hit Hardaker. Surely the reaction of the players on the field as well as the match officials who've seen it live should lend weight to what the "punishment" should be? |
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Hmm if the shoulder charge is banned does that mean if Billy Slater tries to stop Ryan Hall the way he did at Wembley (when he broke his collarbone) then her would get charged now a days?
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| Quote: Fumper27 "A bit like the disciplinary panel ignoring the ruling of Tim Roby who was stood 3 yards and lookng directly at the Chase on Hardaker tackle and ruled a knock on.
Again, a bit like the Leeds pack who didn't "pile in" when Chase hit Hardaker. Surely the reaction of the players on the field as well as the match officials who've seen it live should lend weight to what the "punishment" should be?'"
The Leeds players did go straight to chase,nobody went to Scruton |
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| Quote: Highlander "He's tweeted that he is going to fight his case. No early plea. His disciplinary record is good (mitigating) - hopefully not needed.
The disturbing thing about shoulder charges over the last 3 rounds is that they have all been subject to trial by media. Stevo, Eddie & Phil have all judged the severity of each tackle first and pronounced the verdict to the tv audience.'"
I agree with this. It does seem that if SKY show the incident enough times then the review panel ban them. I'm fairly confident that if we won't on tele on Saturday, Scruton wouldn't be banned. I watched SL full time for first time last night and one of the worst challenges I saw from the weekend was Meli clearing out Holdsworth during Hulls first try. Yet he wasn't even called up!? |
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| Quote: childofthenorthern "The movement of the head is from O'Brien towards Scruton, so Scruton hit shoulder to shoulder and then O'Brien tries to head butt his shoulder.'"
Having had another look I think that the initial contact was shoulder to shoulder and then O'Brien's head hit Scruton's shoulder as opposed to Scruton's shoulder hitting the head (if that makes any sense!). |
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| Quote: steadygetyerboots-on "Oh well; if nothing else I was right about everything except scruton not being cited.
The irony if being called a chump and accused of playing the victim card by bulls fans is not lost on me at all at this point.'"
FWIW, I called you a chump because you are another one of these who feels the need to bring football into a discussion on RL. They are two completely different games but for some reason so many RL fans seem to think that belittling football makes their game all the better. It doesn't. It just makes you look envious. |
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Players usually only react to a bad tackle if play stops straight away. They dont normally react if play continues, unless it is exceptionally bad.
When video refs get involved in these types of incidents its usually on the basis of "have a quick look". They don't usually replay the incident several times. Clearly there was plenty of time for the video ref to study this incident in detail whilst the player was being treated. But I suspect that he told Ganson it was ok after a quick look. As a general principle I dont think that the mere fact that a video ref has had a look at an incident should prevent it from being referred to Red Hall.
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| Quote: steadygetyerboots-on "...
The irony if being called a chump and accused of playing the victim card by bulls fans is not lost on me at all at this point.'"
You showed yourself as a chump for your jaundiced and nutty claim that
Quote: steadygetyerboots-on "Honest debate is dead on RL forums. Very few people can see past their own colours. It's a shame really, we're headed down the same path as football.'"
This is simply untrue. I actually think that there is some bloody good debate on these forums, and on RAB, and indeed on this very thread. We have a number of posters able to offer intelligent views and the fact that they disagree often is really what a debate is about. Your claim that honest debate is dead is really insulting, and if I'm honest, in my opinion stupid. Many people can and regularly do "see past their own colours", and the 'football path' closing remark is as bewildering as it is irrelevant. |
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| Quote: Cookie "Having had another look I think that the initial contact was shoulder to shoulder and then O'Brien's head hit Scruton's shoulder as opposed to Scruton's shoulder hitting the head (if that makes any sense!).'"
Which ever way you put it Scruton's shoulder makes contact with the head of the opposing player!!! |
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| Quote: roger daly "The Leeds players did go straight to chase,nobody went to Scruton'"
Are your eyes painted on  ? The Leeds players initial reaction was to go to drop on the loose ball. Not until Chase checked on Hardaker did a Leeds player even remotely approach Chase. |
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| Quote: Fumper27 "Which ever way you put it Scruton's shoulder makes contact with the head of the opposing player!!!'"
The logical, and absurd, conclusion to that thinking is that a player could head butt a tackling players shoulder and get him sent off for contact with the head.
Scruton makes contact with the shoulder, slightly late I agree, but shoulder to shoulder contact is legal in the game. He doesn't raise arms, elbows or jump into the tackle so IMO it isn't deliberate or reckless. The question should be is it careless? If any contact with the head counts as careless then he'll be done, but the same argument and penalty would then apply if O'Brien fell over and hit his head on Scrutons knee, which is obviously accidental (unless your name is Leon). |
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