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| Quote: debaser "Mystic, why are you do hung up on the fact that the Sky money has not made a difference? How can it not have?'"
Sky money makes no difference to us not been able to tackle or looking so dispirited.
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By far the most sensible posts on this thread have come from mystic eddie. - copyright Ewwenorfolk 09.04.2013
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| Quote: redeverready "Sky money makes no difference to us not been able to tackle or looking so dispirited.'"
Correct. Sadly the majority of our supporters prefer to blame everyone else.
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| Quote: redeverready "Sky money makes no difference to us not been able to tackle or looking so dispirited.'"
Yes agreed, but sky money could make a difference to what coach the players were coached by or example.
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Quote: redeverready "Sky money makes no difference to us not been able to tackle or looking so dispirited.'"
But we didn't look dispirited, we just looked knackered in the second half. We looked very up for it in the first half, and but tailed off, and of course our defence out on the right was terrible. When you've got a skeleton backroom staff and have, most likely, flogged a lot of training equipment, conditioning is one of the first things that will suffer. And conditioning is clearly something that we're looking at addressing:
www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... f_success/
Regarding the comments about last year - that was a unique set of circumstances. It was real backs against the wall stuff, and wasn't likely to be sustainable.
We are where we are, and I'm pretty chuffed to have a club to support at all. It's not the late 90s/early 00s any more - Get over it!
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Quote: redeverready "Sky money makes no difference to us not been able to tackle or looking so dispirited.'"
But we didn't look dispirited, we just looked knackered in the second half. We looked very up for it in the first half, and but tailed off, and of course our defence out on the right was terrible. When you've got a skeleton backroom staff and have, most likely, flogged a lot of training equipment, conditioning is one of the first things that will suffer. And conditioning is clearly something that we're looking at addressing:
www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... f_success/
Regarding the comments about last year - that was a unique set of circumstances. It was real backs against the wall stuff, and wasn't likely to be sustainable.
We are where we are, and I'm pretty chuffed to have a club to support at all. It's not the late 90s/early 00s any more - Get over it!
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By far the most sensible posts on this thread have come from mystic eddie. - copyright Ewwenorfolk 09.04.2013
Aye, and Eddie is hinting at it too. And, as we all know:
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| Quote: debaser "Yes agreed, but sky money could make a difference to what coach the players were coached by or example.'"
So you think that FC is not good enough then?
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Others/combustable.gif Red Amber and Black Fantasy Rugby League Champion 2012.
By far the most sensible posts on this thread have come from mystic eddie. - copyright Ewwenorfolk 09.04.2013
Aye, and Eddie is hinting at it too. And, as we all know:
Mystic Eddie has been right all along! - copyright vbfg 05.01.2017:Others/combustable.gif |
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| Quote: ridlerbull " And conditioning is clearly something that we're looking at addressing
Some of us have been bemoaning the lack of conditioning for quite some time now. Not just this season.
As I said, it comes down to the opinion of whether we are getting a decent return for what we have got to play with. Do you think we are?
Bearing in mind that, Kearney, Kear, Purtell, Lulia, Platt, Gale, Addy, Scruton, Diskin, Manuokafoa, Bateman, Donaldson, Le'Strange and Olbison from todays 17 were all signed and there when we had no Sky sanctions whatsoever.
We just have a poor squad of players.
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| Quote: ridlerbull "
We are where we are, and I'm pretty chuffed to have a club to support at all. It's not the late 90s/early 00s any more - Get over it!
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| Quote: mystic eddie "Some of us have been bemoaning the lack of conditioning for quite some time now. Not just this season.
As I said, it comes down to the opinion of whether we are getting a decent return for what we have got to play with. Do you think we are?
Bearing in mind that, Kearney, Kear, Purtell, Lulia, Platt, Gale, Addy, Scruton, Diskin, Manuokafoa, Bateman, Donaldson, Le'Strange and Olbison from todays 17 were all signed and there when we had no Sky sanctions whatsoever.
We just have a poor squad of players.'"
Bemoaning this over a period where the club was clearly in disarray and weren't likely to make any sensible long term investments...
So what you're saying is that last years side were acceptable, in spite of the fact that the side contained the players that you've listed here, but this year they are 'a complete embarassment'. But this is down to them as individuals, as opposed to anything external to them. But it's also the coach's fault. But the conditioning isn't an excuse because you were moaning about a few years ago. So sack everyone.
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| Quote: redeverready "So that excuses all the errors and the players not been able to execute defensive patterns.'"
No, that would be silly. When did I say that?
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By far the most sensible posts on this thread have come from mystic eddie. - copyright Ewwenorfolk 09.04.2013
Aye, and Eddie is hinting at it too. And, as we all know:
Mystic Eddie has been right all along! - copyright vbfg 05.01.2017:Others/combustable.gif |
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| Quote: ridlerbull "Bemoaning this over a period where the club was clearly in disarray and weren't likely to make any sensible long term investments...
So what you're saying is that last years side were acceptable, in spite of the fact that the side contained the players that you've listed here, but this year they are 'a complete embarassment'. But this is down to them as individuals, as opposed to anything external to them. But it's also the coach's fault. But the conditioning isn't an excuse because you were moaning about a few years ago. So sack everyone.'"
Now you are just making things up. The point I was making, as you well know is that using the Sky money as an excuse could perhaps be taken more seriously if we had a massively changed side because of the lack of funding. We don't, it is much the same side. The team showed last season, in adversity, that it was a competitive side yet now we are a very poor side indeed.
Is it down to coaching? Perhaps.
More worryingly for me is what is going on behind the scenes. There is clearly something unsettling at our club at the moment as the same players that did so well last season are now a shadow of their previous selves.
There appears to be no pride in wearing the shirt.
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| I don't think it is much the same side at all, we lost several key players during the off season - including three props - that we just didn't have time to replace.
We also lost Mick Potter, and everyone else who was made redundant and not taken back on.
How can you possibly say the side is muchly the same?
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Others/combustable.gif Red Amber and Black Fantasy Rugby League Champion 2012.
By far the most sensible posts on this thread have come from mystic eddie. - copyright Ewwenorfolk 09.04.2013
Aye, and Eddie is hinting at it too. And, as we all know:
Mystic Eddie has been right all along! - copyright vbfg 05.01.2017:Others/combustable.gif |
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| Quote: Nothus "I don't think it is much the same side at all, we lost several key players during the off season - including three props - that we just didn't have time to replace.
We also lost Mick Potter, and everyone else who was made redundant and not taken back on.
How can you possibly say the side is muchly the same?'"
Erm... because 14 of the 17 that were named today were in the side last season? Pretty much the same is it not?
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Others/combustable.gif Red Amber and Black Fantasy Rugby League Champion 2012.
By far the most sensible posts on this thread have come from mystic eddie. - copyright Ewwenorfolk 09.04.2013
Aye, and Eddie is hinting at it too. And, as we all know:
Mystic Eddie has been right all along! - copyright vbfg 05.01.2017:Others/combustable.gif |
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| Quote: Nothus "I don't think it is much the same side at all, we lost several key players during the off season - including three props - that we just didn't have time to replace.
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Incidentally, just to be pedantic, we lost Kopczak (as a player) during the season. We had plenty of time to replace him.
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| Quote: mystic eddie "Now you are just making things up.'"
I am? I was just trying to follow the through line of your argument. Sadly, you didn't supply one yourself, so I had to infer it, in good faith, from your posts.
Quote: mystic eddie "The point I was making, as you well know is that using the Sky money as an excuse could perhaps be taken more seriously if we had a massively changed side because of the lack of funding. We don't, it is much the same side.'"
So either coaching makes no difference, in which case getting rid of FC would make no difference, or it does make a difference and things are massively different from last year. Which?
Quote: mystic eddie "The team showed last season, in adversity, that it was a competitive side yet now we are a very poor side indeed.'"
Adversity brings out the best in people, but it isn't sustainable. If it was, all teams would be constantly attempting to get to deeper and deeper levels of disarray...
Quote: mystic eddie "Is it down to coaching? Perhaps.'"
I'm not sure I can give you that. You've implied that it both definitely is and definitely isn't. It can't also be 'perhaps'.
Quote: mystic eddie "More worryingly for me is what is going on behind the scenes. There is clearly something unsettling at our club at the moment as the same players that did so well last season are now a shadow of their previous selves.'"
Clearly...
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