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| Whether or not the various rumours are true, I've now come to the conclusion that it's time for Mr Green to pack in. Even if he did find the money to pay the players he clearly doesn't have the funds needed to carry on so lets not prolong the agony.
My support for the club hasn't waivered since the late 1980's but I'm almost at my limit. Watching the club jump from one financial disaster to the next isn't my idea of fun and I don't know if I want to go around again.
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| For the record, I have nothing against Marc Green. I truly believe that he has done everything in his power to keep the club running as a functioning business and I only hope that the club hasn't put too big a strain on his and his families financial situation. I can see why the people who haven't been paid are getting frustrated with him but I don't think the "fans" bagging him on twitter have just cause for some of the abuse that they are dishing out.
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "A few home truths.
Confidence in the club hasn't "hit rock bottom", I don't think anyone's expectations apart from a handful of strident social media types has altered one bit.
We have been in the financial mire often enough to know that it makes no difference what statements a club makes, it will either survive or go down the tubes. So many people insisting on calling for statement after statement after statement is really getting on my nerves, Green keeps putting out statements (FWTAW) but some people seem to want a statement every half an hour, and a statement after every message board claim or tweet.
Statements may reassure some, or worry others, but they are useless. Nobody who is now "worried" will become less worried, if they would, then they would have all become non-worried people at green's last statement. It is a circular farce, this constant demanding of statements.
Many seem to miss the obvious point, somehow (don't ask me how) that things were going passably well financially (for a full-time club trying desperately to make ends meet in a low-rent league) UNTIL the team got beat by Fev, which at a stroke has made a £3/4m hole in the budget, including screwing our cashflow for the "playoffs" - downgrading from "Tasty" to "loss-making". THIS IS STATING THE OBVIOUS - why can't so may see the bleedin' obvious? Whatever else there is, the players have landed Green with a HUGE financial hole where there shouldn't have been one.
If you accept that we were not running at any sizeable surplus, then WHAt DO YOU THINK happens when suddenly such a huge sum of cash falls through a trapdoor?? To me, it is obvious that that event was a seismic event. It is stupid to say "Well, surely Green had contingency plans for in case we didn't make the proper playoffs. " After some fashion, maybe he even did, - but whatever they may be, they aren't ones any of us might like, and the point is no plan can bring IN money. If it could then we would have implemented it as soon as we thought of it!!
The most ironic thing is that many people were calling for the players not to be paid after Fev. If indeed the players have not been paid (and I have zero information on the point) then in a pretty direct way, they are responsible for that. Fev have earned themselves a handy cash cushion by the sweat of their brows, and suddenly the immediate future must look a helluva lot brighter for them, with some mouthwatering gates in prospect. That could and should have been us, and I really don't think it is rocket science, whatever financial state the accounts may be in (and again, I have zero information on that either), to understand that having taken such an almighty hit below the water line, we will obviously need something to bale us out - we can't have had any money to spare, in my opinion, and now we have taken a red pen to our cashflow.
That must be the huge problem for Green, and as a businessman, no doubt he and his team will address it. But the essential point is obvious to the point of being banal
What that man said
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| Quote: mystic eddie "Oh I can read. I just don't agree. Is that ok with you?'"
It would be OK if you would stop attributing things to me that I never said. Now bore off, as we were discussing the club and nobody is interested in your blatant attempt to start an argument.
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| Quote: mystic eddie "TBH, who would want to? We are a mess. A joke from top to bottom. It has been going on for years now.
What concerns me though is that do the RFL run a "fit and proper test" before allowing people to takeover clubs. If so, how could they allow the likes of Hood, Khan and (possibly) Greene to do so? They have failed here too.
I seriously wonder if there is actually such a thing as an honest businessman in Bradford!
I am afraid that the final nail is being prepared and only a Koukcash can save us now.
The RFL's due diligence appears to be an absolute shambles after what has happened to the Bulls in recent years. Mandy Koukash put in a bid at the same time as Green and was rejected - we obviously don't know the reasons for this and can't speculate, but I very much doubt the club would be in the situation it is now if she was the current CEO. The fans need to demand a response from the RFL.
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| Quote: Bullseye "Source?'"
From a current bulls player who was at a meeting earlier this week with a Rfl rep.
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| Why Xmas? Most contracts end or have to be renewed at the end of October?
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| Quote: Highlander "Why Xmas? Most contracts end or have to be renewed at the end of October?'"
Contracts that are up tend to run out on November 30 I believe. Those that are contracted for next year wouldn't though.
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| Does it kick the can down the road until a new owner can be found?
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| I'm sure the RFL haven't just offered to pay the wages while Greens in Ibiza. It may have been a reply to a question along the lines of "what if Marc Green can't find the money to pay us?"
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| Quote: HamsterChops "Contracts that are up tend to run out on November 30 I believe. Those that are contracted for next year wouldn't though.'"
Correct, they run to end of November
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| This is all a right kick to the nads. I was just starting to think we had turned the corner as well.
All of the medium to long term decisions MG was making looked to be good, the academy & the ground being the obvious ones. Would take 3, 4 years or so for us to see the benefits but the foundations looked good.
And now, a short term cash flow problem, based on poor performances on the pitch is going to bring everything tumbling down again.
We need cash, soon. The only marginal silver lining is we have a better medium term future than last time
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "It would be OK if you would stop attributing things to me that I never said. Now bore off, as we were discussing the club and nobody is interested in your blatant attempt to start an argument.'"
Coming from the most volatile member of this forum to accuse me of trying to start an argument is a bit rich. I wasn't.
I was merely disagreeing with you. I realise that this is not allowed in your little dreamworld but it happens. from time to time.
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| Quote: Storm northern "The RFL's due diligence appears to be an absolute shambles after what has happened to the Bulls in recent years. Mandy Koukash put in a bid at the same time as Green and was rejected - we obviously don't know the reasons for this and can't speculate, but I very much doubt the club would be in the situation it is now if she was the current CEO. The fans need to demand a response from the RFL.'"
Well certainly if they have these checks in place then they have to take a certain amount of the blame for this situation arising again, if indeed it does.
This is no way is me trying to deflect the blame away from ourselves but IF the RFL are paying the wages as has been suggested then maybe a similar point has been made to them and they are taking some form of responsibility for their actions?
However, regardless of this, we simply cannot be allowed to get away with more handouts and favours from others. We have had enough chances to get it right.
The fat lady is warming up her vocal chords.
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| Well at least Mick is keeping everyone informed as to where the plan carrying Green home is. Appears it was 22min late looking at last tweet. Wonder if he is at the airport with a sign waiting to pick him up.
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