If you see him at Headingley tomorrow ask him what the hell is going on Mick..Or get peggy to do it

Spot on with how Im feeling at the minute as I want the club to make as much money as possible but two of the three shirts I have are presents and when they found out about all these indescrepancies with the home shirt, they just said "I'll have the red and balck away one".

The original Heath pic is the Players fit where the design and all sponsors are PRINTED on to the shirt. ALL Replicas are stitched/embroiedered and always will be.

The Langley shirt is a replica.

Heath and the pics on T&A players mugshots are players fit.

The club and KooGa will never back down on this debate!

The shirt in the Langley pic is NOT a replica of the shirt in the Heath pic. The angle of the crosses and where the lines cross are entirely different. It is a similar, but different design. By very definition, it is not a replica.

Yes, the players fit don't have embroidery and have it all printed, but they should have the same design!

Incidentally, the replica shirt I have (which is the Langley design) has PRINTED "swishes" on. Therefore the look of those should be no difference whatsoever by your argument.

i've just looked i have the langley sample version, my was pre-ordered then i picked it up - i might take it back and get the better looking one

For those of us who don't remember what the Logitog debacle is, could someone please elaborate?

The Bulls signed a shirt deal with Logitog (I think it was the 2003 season). The away shirt (all black) was released, but there was a real problem with the supplies of the shirt. I managed to get one, but most didn't. The problems with getting shirts in continued for a month or two until the Bulls finally pulled the plug on the deal completely (I don't think they were the only ones who had problem with Logitog). They went on to make their own shirts for that season, home and away. That meant the ones that had been supplied and sold already were essentially the wrong shirt. There wasn't a massive difference, in fact it may just have been the Logitog logo (as they tried to keep the same black design when they made their own away shirts), but the fact remained, it was a different shirt really. To the Bulls' credit, they offered to swap any Logitog shirt for the "new" one, but I personally kept mine as I didn't want to cost the club £40 (or whatever the price was then) for the sake of a logo.

Most fans accepted that it wasn't the Bulls fault in any way, it was all down to the uselessness of Logitog. This year though, I'd like to know whether it's the club, Kooga or someone else who's responsible for the design changes, as it's not clear (especially when people keep denying it when it's clear to see).

Out of interest has anyone bought the Le'strange or Nero version yet? are they actually on sale or is the club still selling the Langley "sample" version?!

You'll have to forgive me as I only have a players shirt in this design. I have not seen the replicas. But yes, from a manufacturing point of view, some of the main design would/could be printed.

That's better for you because you have a unique one as if I remember rightly the only difference was a website address where the logitog logo was.

BTW I don't think the Giants shops have their new merchandise in yet.

Do they have any old style vintage shirts? Like Darryl Powell or Bright Sodje used to wear?