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Quote: af "Evidence of my own eyes over the last couple of years. They seem to be doing OK this year though they have still had some pretty shocking results in and amongst there. If he coaches them to a play-off berth for the first time then that would be a great accomplishment but they've been in the spots before only to fall away. I suspect he could do a similar job at Bradford given the time and presuming he wanted to come here and effectively start from scratch. Which gets onto RER's point. I am not presuming SM will get it right. I just think it's a likelier scenario than we chuck him out for AN Other, who improves first team results signficantly while also maintaining the youth project which as I understand it is very reliant on SM's personal relationship with the prospects we do have.

The reason why I want SM to stay is the same reason I think BM won't ( and probably shouldn't) come. They are both a few years into what I see as ten year jobs, minimum, building a club from the bottom down. Now I sympathise with Bullseye's squeaky bum on this (though not his 'three periods of success' - Champions 1903-04, and don't you forget it
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Quote: af "
The reason why I want SM to stay is the same reason I think BM won't ( and probably shouldn't) come. They are both a few years into what I see as ten year jobs, minimum, building a club from the bottom down. Now I sympathise with Bullseye's squeaky bum on this (though not his 'three periods of success' - Champions 1903-04, and don't you forget it
Echo'd af.

I also understand Steve's relationship with the Juniors is and has been a key factor in them choosing the Bulls.

I only hope it's a little less than 10 years in the making.
Could the club survive that?

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Quote: redeverready "I find it hard to understand how you can compere Bradford and Harlequins.'"

If we're going to talk about B Mc's record then we have to. And I realise each has different issues and you might typically expect higher league finishes from Bradford. But then until this year, SM has provided that and yet may this season again. I doubt you would get long odds on us overtaking Quins by the end of the year, and as WB has pointed out, the sheer volume of one-score-or-less defeats is what separates us from a handy top four spot and a place in the quarter-final draw.

I'm not slagging off BM. But if he and his results were magically transported to Odsal retrospectively, there's plenty on here that would be.

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Quote: Wigan Bull "
The NRL has shown us you can finish bottom and go on to win the comp in a short turnaround
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But that's the NRL not super league. A Super league which has had only four different winners in thirteen years hardly comparable to the NRL.
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I don't know what the problem if on the field this season.
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But it's not just this season is it. A record of eleven wins from twenty-nine games shows it's more than just this season.
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We could have easily won more games than we had. Even 5 of those (e.g. Wakefield, Cas, Hudds, Celtic and Salford), would have seen us on 19 points, in 4th, with a game in hand and the season suddenly has a different outlook.
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But likewise we could have easily lost at Saints, Catalans and to Wakey at MM.
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I still say we'll make the 8'"
I think it depends on the results from the next four games.

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Quote: redeverready "But that's the NRL not super league. A Super league which has had only four different winners in thirteen years hardly comparable to the NRL.'"

We are heading to a more even comp though, no?
Although I accept it has probably levelled down, rather than out.
Hull KR (so far) are testiment to that. It won't be long before someone else lifts the SL crown.
I still think the point is a valid one, different comp or not.

Quote: redeverready "
But it's not just this season is it. A record of eleven wins from twenty-nine games shows it's more than just this season.'"

I can't really argue with that stat.
Out of interest, how many of those loses were <12points?

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But likewise we could have easily lost at Saints, Catalans and to Wakey at MM.'"

And Leeds, Saints, Hull KR could have lost at x, y,z. We could go round and round with this one.
Again, I still say it's a valid argument to say those 5 wins would have put this season in a different light.

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I think it depends on the results from the next four games.'"


Agreed, we certainly need to start putting some form together.

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But Steve McNamara hasn't had to build a club from bottom down. He tookover the Super League champions that were still in a very good position at the time he was promoted to head coach. It's only since Steve McNamara's appointment that we have diminished into the bottom of the league team that we are now.

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Quote: Terry Monster "But Steve McNamara hasn't had to build a club from bottom down. He tookover the Super League champions that were still in a very good position at the time he was promoted to head coach. It's only since Steve McNamara's appointment that we have diminished into the bottom of the league team that we are now.'"


We may have been champion in 2006, but you can hardly say he took over a champion squad.

IMO the club wasn't left (and isn't in) the greatest shape on or off the field.

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Quote: Wigan Bull "We may have been champion in 2006, but you can hardly say he took over a champion squad.

IMO the club wasn't left (and isn't in) the greatest shape on or off the field.'"
No but you can say that the 2006 squad is a far better balanced squad than the current squad.

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Quote: Wigan Bull "
I can't really argue with that stat.
Out of interest, how many of those loses were <12points?
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Does it matter how many we lost by it's still a loss and they are still building up far too regualry.

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Quote: Wigan Bull "We may have been champion in 2006, but you can hardly say he took over a champion squad.

IMO the club wasn't left (and isn't in) the greatest shape on or off the field.'"


World Champions? Granted, it wasn't the squad that he we finished 05 in but it was still jam packed with stars and talent right across the squad.
We had strike power all across the board then and we were still as dangerous as ever leading up to Nobbies departure.

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Ten years from now, Bulls bottom of Championship 1 playing in front of crowds of 63 in Wibsey Park.

Mystic Eddie et al: "McNamara out now, it has gone too far, that's just 7 wins in 267 games"

af et al: "You have to give him time, he is the man to turn it around in the long run, look at his relationship with the juniors - this was only his third crop to have come through the system and he deserves the chance to hone his techniques and prove he is the right man for the job"

Everyone else will have given it up a long, long time ago.

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Quote: Asim "Ten years from now, Bulls bottom of Championship 1 playing in front of crowds of 63 in Wibsey Park.

Mystic Eddie et al

Don't forget the impeccable logic of 'we've lost some games by less than 12 points', meaning we nearly won them, and as such we're really close to the top 4. So you see, losing by less than 12 points is really a success, and in this other parallel universe everything is fine and dandy, if only we ignore th fact that we DID lose and we are not going to end up in the top 4.

Same logic as - SM is hardly brilliant but then there's no saying anyone else would do better, a bit like saying 'well flu is unpleasant but then you could always get pneumonia, so let's learn to live with the Flu - who knows it might just end up as a bad cold'.

Much the same as all the arguments about not being able to get rid of SM because it'll cost us too much, at the same time as our gate income drops through the floor as a direct result of SM, meaning we've even less likely to get rid because we have less money to do so. Indeed if SM were to follow this line of reasoning he'd have us losing every week and have a job for life as Asim suggests!

I despair, this is club I love, like most of the posters on this board and yet some people seem resigned to failure and to viewing such resignation as somehow consistent with the moral high ground.

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Quote: anarkik "Don't forget the impeccable logic of 'we've lost some games by less than 12 points', meaning we nearly won them, and as such we're really close to the top 4. So you see, losing by less than 12 points is really a success, and in this other parallel universe everything is fine and dandy, if only we ignore th fact that we DID lose and we are not going to end up in the top 4.

Same logic as - SM is hardly brilliant but then there's no saying anyone else would do better, a bit like saying 'well flu is unpleasant but then you could always get pneumonia, so let's learn to live with the Flu - who knows it might just end up as a bad cold'.

Much the same as all the arguments about not being able to get rid of SM because it'll cost us too much, at the same time as our gate income drops through the floor as a direct result of SM, meaning we've even less likely to get rid because we have less money to do so. Indeed if SM were to follow this line of reasoning he'd have us losing every week and have a job for life as Asim suggests!

I despair, this is club I love, like most of the posters on this board and yet some people seem resigned to failure and to viewing such resignation as somehow consistent with the moral high ground.'"
Tha's a point I've been making for months .Yes we may not be able to afford to sack McNamara but if the crowds continue to drop it will simply get to the stage where we can't afford not to sack him.

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Quote: af "Perhaps the biggest of several parts of the puzzle you are missing is the issue of "Will sacking McNamara make things better?" .'"


Well, as we will not know until if/when it happens, it is kinda hard to answer that question is it not? You know as little as I do into whether it would be a success or not. Sadly, I have no crystal ball and neither do you so I reckon this is an odd argument. Are you honestly saying that we should not sack someone because we do not know whether a new face would do the job any better? If so, then no-one would ever get sacked in your world.

Perhaps you should become our Chairman - offering a no sacking guarantee would attract all the top bosses. 4.47021484375:10
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