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If Toovey is imputing anything at all, it seems to be ineffective or falling on deaf ears. Motivation, tackling technique and organisation etc.

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I've said before that I'm not convinced too much by Toovey.

As I understand it, he was a great player who retired and took the coaching job at his former team. With that still pretty good team he won the championship and then slowly the team fell away and then he got sacked. Then he came here.

He's not got a visa, due to the poor administration levels of those running the show, but despite the club still not being in a position to offer any employment he's still here, which suggests he's not getting other offers. Our team is also slowly falling away.

Jimmy Lowes was a great player.

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I think if he had a bit more in the way of resources we would see some better performances..

I don't think some of the guys we signed on as we needed to are good enough..
Include in this:

Mendeika = poor in defence offers nothing in attack, his heart is in the right place but poor.
Macani = as much of an RL player as my sister who is a nursery nurse, an athlete not an RL player.
Thomas = nowhere near good enough to start at 1 or halfback, if in a world beating team he could hide
Keyes = again with nurturing would maybe be a reserve grade halfback, certainly not a starting number 7
Leon = a top player 3 years ago, but he's had it, still lifts the team but can't be relied on physically,

Given that the rest of the team is made up of young kids who cant compete, and Loan players of average quality is there any great surprise we are getting hidings?

When we had Murray who is quality, as well as Lilley to link up with Leon and Big mik to add bite,
as well as Peltier in and more competition for places we were doing ok, soon as that dropped off so did the performances.

You can't blame Toovey for what is a problem in the depth and quality of squad.
Its not going to happen but if they signed 6 good championship / lower SL quality players and we got some back from injury we would be comping again...

This isn't going to happen, so unless the RFL move the goal posts in some way or Christ comes for the second coming and helps us we are in C1 next year!

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Quote: bowlingboy "I think if he had a bit more in the way of resources we would see some better performances..

I don't think some of the guys we signed on as we needed to are good enough..
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Mendeika

Not that my opinion counts for anything of course.. icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Bulliac "I've said before that I'm not convinced too much by Toovey.
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Harsh considering what he's had to work with. When we've had something resembling a pack of forwards we've looked pretty good.

You could put Sir Peter Fox in charge and we'd still be struggling icon_wink.gif

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I do wonder how many loanees we are going to get considering the physical beatings we are getting.

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What ever happened to the rumour that Graham Lowe was in the Southeren Hemisphere getting players for us?
Was he actually just on holiday - and they put a spin on it to fool us fans?
Or are they still holding him as hostage while Toovey is up here?
Did he actually get any players?
Other than Phoenix - who never actually materialised (never mind rose from the ashes) - what did Mr Lowe do down there?

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Quote: Smack him Jimmy "What ever happened to the rumour that Graham Lowe was in the Southeren Hemisphere getting players for us?
Was he actually just on holiday - and they put a spin on it to fool us fans?
Or are they still holding him as hostage while Toovey is up here?
Did he actually get any players?
Other than Phoenix - who never actually materialised (never mind rose from the ashes) - what did Mr Lowe do down there?'"

Hopefully he is recruiting some dense boned pack members and preparing their visas in the back ground.

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Quote: Smack him Jimmy "What ever happened to the rumour that Graham Lowe was in the Southeren Hemisphere getting players for us?'"


I'm still clinging to the distant hope that he did exactly that, which is why we left numbers 10, 12 & 13 free in the squad, but that they learned their lesson from Phoenix and aren't going to announce them until they actually have Visas.

But I do feel like I may be clutching at straws a touch there.

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To be honest I would say unless they have recruited 3 or 4 players as well as chissy and Phoenix to come in the next two weeks we are finished as far as the championship goes, its as simple as that really.
I hate been all doom and gloom but any new squad members have to get over here, learn the patterns we play to and gel with the rest of the squad.
Given there has been zero progress to date by the new guys owning the club, I'm holding out for a miracle of a restructure and a place in the new SL2.

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Quote: HamsterChops "I'm still clinging to the distant hope that he did exactly that, which is why we left numbers 10, 12 & 13 free in the squad, but that they learned their lesson from Phoenix and aren't going to announce them until they actually have Visas.

But I do feel like I may be clutching at straws a touch there.'"


The only thing that worries me about them 3 numbers are that 10 could have been left as they assumed Joseph might sign, and 12 I worry was earmarked for Foster who seemed to hang around long enough to get a decent offer but I'm ultimately guessing didnt get an offer he could accept. After seeing his Cas debut and how good he was defensively we surely could have done with him in the centre where Rohan signed him for

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Quote: Smack him Jimmy "What ever happened to the rumour that Graham Lowe was in the Southeren Hemisphere getting players for us?
Was he actually just on holiday - and they put a spin on it to fool us fans?
Or are they still holding him as hostage while Toovey is up here?
Did he actually get any players?
Other than Phoenix - who never actually materialised (never mind rose from the ashes) - what did Mr Lowe do down there?'"


TBH I'm 99% sure Lowe has next to nothing to do with running the club. His health problems mean he's based down under and I doubt he's got anyone "lined up". He's been out of the game for too long. When he was last involved in RL administration he promised big things at NZ Warriors but failed to deliver.

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Quote: thepimp007 "The only thing that worries me about them 3 numbers are that 10 could have been left as they assumed Joseph might sign, and 12 I worry was earmarked for Foster who seemed to hang around long enough to get a decent offer but I'm ultimately guessing didnt get an offer he could accept. After seeing his Cas debut and how good he was defensively we surely could have done with him in the centre where Rohan signed him for'"


Back in Oct/Nov, Joseph was going to be 13 I thought, and he was also a decent back-up hooker as well.

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Quote: HamsterChops "I'm still clinging to the distant hope that he did exactly that, which is why we left numbers 10, 12 & 13 free in the squad, but that they learned their lesson from Phoenix and aren't going to announce them until they actually have Visas.

But I do feel like I may be clutching at straws a touch there.'"


This may have legs, as i seem to remember Reveready (who seems to have some sort of connection to the club) said we had signed to NZ props from French RU.

Not sure if we are ever going to see this bloody visa though! icon_biggrin.gifEPRESSED:

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Quote: Bullseye "Harsh considering what he's had to work with. When we've had something resembling a pack of forwards we've looked pretty good.

You could put Sir Peter Fox in charge and we'd still be struggling I'm not meaning to 'bag him', Bullseye. I mean, I fully appreciate the problems he's had (or would have had if he'd got his visa......), and my thoughts are actually nothing to do with this season. When the 'coalition of chaos' currently running the club turns into a 'Strong and Stable' leadership group, he may well turn out to be the super duper coach every seems to believe that he is, and indeed, let's hope so.

What I find hard to understand is, how we (the 'Royal' we, that is) whilst looking through his record, got the idea that he's somehow a great, top notch, proven coach, when to my mind I just can't see where that notion comes from.

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