Meanwhile, sad news that rl Wilko Johnsonrl is on his way out. But doing a farewell concert tour. How good would it be if they could find a way for him to put in a guest appearance on the bill at our gaff?

Anybody able to have a quick word with somebody?

A big shout to OK for taking a risk on this first stadium music venture. I hope it works, and think it will.
The catchment area for live entertainment tickets is far wider than Bradford alone..
Starting line up is pretty good and varied. It is what it is..blasts from the past.
I see no reason, if this event has reasonable success, why Odsal could not become a regular venue for similar or more adventurous musical events. Better groups at higher ticket prices.
Whist the range of events that could be put on at Odsal is wide I think that occasional ones by respected Asian musical virtuosos and popular groups would be sell out at any price. There is nowhere in the county like it.
Multicultural activity per OK - ticked. Making money - Solid Gold


I presume that the Bulls have a music licence of sorts (or whatever permission) as they have groups playing pre-match.
I further presume that having advertised the event for the 25th May they have the required permissions though there might be a limitation on the time the music should stop.
If rumors are to believed this is why Bruce Springsteen turned down the gig

Wow!!

All this argument about bands, singers and songs....I always used to think that liking music was pretty subjective, but it seems most believe it's objective (though obviously defined by different, and individual, parameters) and can somehow put on a value scale.

In the context of the Odsal concerts the only thing that matters is that they make some brass and hopefully don't disturb the neighbours too much.

Incidentally, my own value system was that if the band could learn learn it in a few minutes (three chord stuff, 90% of top thirty, Status Quo etc = rubbish) but if it took, say more than a couple of rehearsals to get right, then it was deemed 'better' music, though in the end it was always the audience who decreed what stayed in the show and what didn't. Simples!!

It's totally subjective!

Hell, I even know people who liked The Wombles...

Ha ha, everything has its place Adey. Let's be fair, who needs 'challenging' music when you're supposed to be concentrating on the driving?

It's both; but, like a very high proportion of the things in life, the better music often takes some time, experience, perhaps education, perhaps even study, to appreciate. And then it is still subjective, certainly; you can certainly appreciate a particular piece of music without especially liking it.

But again like a lot of things in life, they're often dismissed by many folk, and it's their loss, because they don't make the effort and so don't know what they're missing.

Kids don't begin music appreciation with nursery tunes for nothing. They need to learn the basics. Bands aimed at pre-teens and young teens often come up with simple, repetitive, formula pop but it's a level or two up from nursery rhymes, and it's often as much about the artist/s as the music. But I think as people mature most people's musical tastes do too, although the process then usually grinds to a halt somewhere in mid-life, and then they settle for whatever they settled for as "the best" and nothing that follows is as good.


Screw any complaining neighbours, if you want peace and quiet, don't live next to giant stadiums. (I doubt the Council quite look at it that way though)

In general, the top thirty is 'dummed down' to the lowest common denominator to be honest, the 'three chord wonders' I mention, so selling a lot of records doesn't equate to 'great', or difficult music as such. There is certainly a knack, maybe even a science, in producing the sounds and riffs which become popular though and not everyone has it, that is a fact. It certainly isn't usually the 'clever' or hard to learn stuff which makes the no. one spot.

Got to admit I find it hard to accept much of the really simplistic stuff as being 'great' though. Obviously that's just me and other have a different opinion and all opinions are equally valid at the end of the day. We like what we like - so back to my Tommy Emmanuel, Martin Taylor and Django CDs.....

But sometimes the beauty and greatness is in the simplicity; I call your simplistic and raise you McCartney's "Yesterday"

The Wombles trumps that...

I thought the Wombles were absolutely marvelous...though I doubt it will ever replace music..

I don't really know about that; I have great admiration for virtuoso musicians, whether it's a genius guitarist like Hendrix, or a pianist like Barenboim, and what is certainly true for me is that watching these performers 'in the flesh' is an awesome thing, and infinitely better than listening to a recording. But I think you'd need to 'get' the music first to really get the effect; certainly the natural universal human trait is to want stuff that's familiar. People prefer to listen to new stuff, even by their favourite performers, in their own time, and come to terms with it, but they prefer not to hear it at THIS concert, thank you very much, just play the STUFF WE KNOW. A classic example was Dylan coming out and playing an electric set.

It's certainly true that the better you get to know a piece, the more you appreciate it.

But OTOH when trying to assess the "greatness" of an old song, what's hard is to divest it of the personal emotional or sentimental baggage it may well have. For just one example, you happen to know that Dylan is a legend but if you'd never heard of him, how good would you rate him? More to the point, does it make a difference if you lived through those times, protest songs, Woodstock, the Dylans and the Baezs, and understand the context from which certain songs emerged? Can The Times They Are A-Changin" [iever[/i have the same resonance in the ears of someone born in 2000 as it does with "children of the sixties"? (In my opinion, the answer to that is a qualified "yes", it might, but not if they don't take the trouble to learn about the song, and put it, and the artist, in context).

It would be great, because when I tried for tickets yesterday afternoon they had sold out in the morning. I saw the Feelgoods last year & though it was a cracking night it was a bit like watching a tribute band.

It's totally subjective. You can be objective & appreciate someone's talent without actually liking the 20 minute drum solo.

Some songs take years to grow on you & fully appreciate, but most great pop songs hit you immediately. I will never forget hearing Peely playing 'Teenage Kicks' for the first time on the little radio in my bedroom, I'm with him, still the best 2.5 minutes of pure pop ever made. he then played it again straight after it was that good.

From 72-76 Quo were almost incomparable as a pop rock band, one of the best concerts I have seen at that time. Sadly they have deteriorated gradually since then IMO, with some real dirge. A mate, doing his own farewell tour in 1992, got tickets for Sheffield Arena. It was awful, lots of middle aged couples in matching Arran sweaters, with none of the power of the early 70s. Still, as someone said recently, they play as many chords as the Ramones ever did.