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| There seems to be a view that a good deal of your problems are down to RFL, but the powers that be will have asked for the loans and it is up to them to manage the club finances and not the RFL. I know this hurts but from an outsiders point of view I think the deal the RFL are giving you is very good.
If the various bids are on the basis of give you superleague and the ground back and we will give you (RFL) a small amount of money and the actual amount of the value of the bid is just to keep the club afloat e.g. £500,000 debt and two years running the club at a loss equals £1,000,000 per year so that is the £2,500,000 million investment then you can't expect the RFL to accept. People seem the think that turning bids down makes the RFL the devil incarnate but I can't see how the RFL are the problem here.
Having the Bulls in Super League is a good thing but it has proved a great embarrasment. The administrator view that SL need to pay the wages is wrong. The only way this should happen is an advance of sky payments due. The way how he is dealing with this is terrible. Sell Whitehead pay the wages! He has extended the deadline by another month and has sacked the staff. Does he expect them to keep working on goodwill? That is totally unfair and taking the out of respected people.
I really hope this is sorted out and soon but Bradford have over invested beyong their means player wise and no doubt as with all club the full financial picture given to the RFL was somewhat hazy. But don't for one minute think that the RFL are the issues here or they owe you in some way. Remeber you lent big money off them agreed to pay it back and didn't and that isn't good for SL.
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| Quote Dannyboywt="Dannyboywt"There seems to be a view that a good deal of your problems are down to RFL, but the powers that be will have asked for the loans and it is up to them to manage the club finances and not the RFL. I know this hurts but from an outsiders point of view I think the deal the RFL are giving you is very good.
If the various bids are on the basis of give you superleague and the ground back and we will give you (RFL) a small amount of money and the actual amount of the value of the bid is just to keep the club afloat e.g. £500,000 debt and two years running the club at a loss equals £1,000,000 per year so that is the £2,500,000 million investment then you can't expect the RFL to accept. People seem the think that turning bids down makes the RFL the devil incarnate but I can't see how the RFL are the problem here.
Having the Bulls in Super League is a good thing but it has proved a great embarrasment. The administrator view that SL need to pay the wages is wrong. The only way this should happen is an advance of sky payments due. The way how he is dealing with this is terrible. Sell Whitehead pay the wages! He has extended the deadline by another month and has sacked the staff. Does he expect them to keep working on goodwill? That is totally unfair and taking the mickey out of respected people.
I really hope this is sorted out and soon but Bradford have over invested beyong their means player wise and no doubt as with all club the full financial picture given to the RFL was somewhat hazy. But don't for one minute think that the RFL are the issues here or they owe you in some way. Remeber you lent big money off them agreed to pay it back and didn't and that isn't good for SL.'"
The devil is in the detail which is unknown to us, that is the problem! No one of sound mind would say that the RFL has not to get a fair deal, but the RFL are saying buy the club with no certainty - which no one will sign upto. Hopefully the reality is different from the rhetoric and discussions are going on around how much they will sell the lease back for and what gurantees will be given about the current license as one would expect in a normal business arrangement with someone looking to rescue a company - but if they aren't prepared to discuss it (no pre conditions statements), they are allowing the club to die!!! Maybe previous Director's/management teams have deserved this treatment, but the fans, coaching staff and current players haven't.
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| Quote Bullpower2012="Bullpower2012"where did you direct these warnings??? to the Shareholding? the RFL? or on RLFANS????
Too many are critical and want to say "I told you so" rather than getting off the arriss's and doing something - there was a poster yesterday belittling the efforts of those organising the meeting yesterday.... WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? apart from blather on incessantly on a website......
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I wrote to Peter Hood but mainly I like, many others on here, allowed myself to be shouted down by a coalition of morons and agents of the club who were being fed disinformation in order to silence criticism.
I didn't belittle the efforts of anyone organsing a meeting.
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| Quote af="af"... How were those with a 'Hood's all we've got' mentality, of which I was one, supposed to know all that was going on behind the scenes?'"
Hood [iwas[/i all we had. With him removed, nobody else has stepped forward. There's the proof.
Unless of course you have the view, which I would consider deluded, that there [iwould[/i have been some all-knowing, financial genius with pots of cash that [iwould[/i have stepped in a year or two ago, but didn't, and won't now - even though from the point of view of an investor, stepping in now, free of debts and more to the point free of the tangled boardroom web which went before, must surely be a prospect ten times more appealing..
And of course nobody knows what goes on behind the scenes in [iany [/ibusiness, apart from those running it and those closest to them, nor ever will. FFS, apart from being in the crapper, we even now have no real clue what went on, or how it came to April 2012.
We don't even know that much about what has happened [isince[/i the old Board was forced out and we went into admin. They and the temporary new incumbents issued wildly contrasting claims and counterclaims, and there it rests.
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| Quote Gurus_Beard="Gurus_Beard"Snippity snip'"
Now then boys and girls. Those of you that have wondered if GB is Mr Caisley should take great comfort from this post. The tone of it is don't throw yourself under a bus, we might yet be saved.
Personally, I knew for sure that we were in a REALLY bad way when even Bullseye was suicidal. In my experience if Sam thinks things are bad, then they must be VERY bad.
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| Quote M@islebugs="M@islebugs"I wrote to Peter Hood but mainly I like, many others on here, allowed myself to be shouted down by a coalition of morons and agents of the club who were being fed disinformation in order to silence criticism.
I didn't belittle the efforts of anyone organsing a meeting.'"
You wrote to Peter Hood to tell him how much a bad job he was doing  Do you think he gave your advice credence or do you think he took your letter and binned it?
Surely you would of been better writing to the Shareholding if thats how passionately you felt - Hood was never going to sack himself was he......
Never said you did belittle anyone, I stated another poster 
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| Tinkering will not be enough to sustain the viability of this lame duck. Cut the crap and let's have some serious investment from those reputed to care.As previously said,this is terrible PR for SL and the Bulls.As for CC,absolutely disgusting and deplorable that we still await some explanation as to the progress of his intent or otherwise ,of his involvement.ALL parties should remember the massive effort of fans,players and Clubs to raise the original £500,000 and consequentially, have obligations to show expediency and communicate with the supporters (Part of the Family which is the RFL).
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| Sam might need to speak to Duffy - he's the welfare officer at the club (State of Mind). Oh, wait..
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| Quote Ferocious Aardvark="Ferocious Aardvark"Heheh, you were the man who would have saved the Bulls, all hunky dory if only "they" had listened to you. Riiight. You had a team of rich business experts just waiting to ride in and make the club wealthy, if only.
Neither you nor anyone without the inside track on the Bulls' internal finances would have had any clue whether the management were "up to the job", so stop trying to big yourself up as if you were some sort of Oracle. You knew nothing.
Or if you really did know, then I blame YOU, for not spilling the beans, and forcing the issue.
That obvious point aside, calls for the board to resign seem to be endemic across all sports. What is rare as rocking horse shiit is the provision of better alternatives. Or indeed ANY alternatives. And of course our board DID, eventually, stand down. Much good [ithat's[/i done us.'"
You've actually been talking some sense lately. Been ill?
Two points
1, I don't have an inside track. I saw everything that you saw and concluded correctly. However, one group of people did have an inside track. The RFL audited the club as part of its SL license and then Peter Hood came and asked them for 700k (presuming the RFL didn't make an unsolicited offer). This should have given them grounds for seeking further information/input. Surely you must see this as a serious failing or at least a point in this story where something 'different' might have happened.
2, There were alternatives. Martyn Sadler knew of at least three consortium who were interested in buying the Bulls who (according to Guilfoyle) withdrew when they saw the books.
Your points about the nature of 'conditions' in these negotiations are well made but both parties are still using the term 'condition' with the regards to the purchase/sale of the lease.
The points stands, had their been intervention sooner when the RFL had grounds there is a reasonable chance the situation could have been brought to light sooner and the scale of the disaster would almost certainly not be as great as it now is
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| Quote Bullpower2012="Bullpower2012"
Never said you did belittle anyone, I stated another poster
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