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| What the Club need now is some seriously positive PR Management. We need to be hearing positive stories and good news on a regular basis. The last thing we want to hear is we've signed some more Journeymen Players for next year. Positive PR will be money well spent!
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Others/combustable.gif Red Amber and Black Fantasy Rugby League Champion 2012.
By far the most sensible posts on this thread have come from mystic eddie. - copyright Ewwenorfolk 09.04.2013
Aye, and Eddie is hinting at it too. And, as we all know:
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| Quote: Adeybull "So therefore he must be in the chair because he was seen as the best man for the job.'"
Yeah. Just like Gordon Brown.
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| Quote: mystic eddie "Yeah. Just like Gordon Brown.'"
Slightly different as the people who call for Brown to go usually have a replacement in mind. You have nothing.
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Others/combustable.gif Red Amber and Black Fantasy Rugby League Champion 2012.
By far the most sensible posts on this thread have come from mystic eddie. - copyright Ewwenorfolk 09.04.2013
Aye, and Eddie is hinting at it too. And, as we all know:
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| Quote: af "Slightly different '"
Not at all. Brown was seen as the right man for the job at the time. He wasn't though.
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| Quote: Ancient Provocateur "Well it is really sad that Sammy is leaving. I look forward to seeing him come back in 5 years time when Macca will be leading the products of our youth development to SL glory!'"
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| Quote: mystic eddie "Not at all. Brown was seen as the right man for the job at the time. He wasn't though.'"
You sticking by 'Hood must go' then? Is that actually what you think?
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| For all the people blaming the clube here, again I say, what do you think they should have done? Lots of complaints, no answers.
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| Quote: mystic eddie "Not at all. Brown was seen as the right man for the job at the time. He wasn't though.'"
1. Not by me he wasn't.
2. You have evaded the question (again). Your public eagerly awaits your wisdom and sage advice on how we set about identifying, persuading and then bringing on board the mystic messiah you so clearly believe in.
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| Quote: mystic eddie "Another super duper day for the Bulls.
I tells ya, under the present regime we are really going places.
The sooner we get a new broom in and sweep out all the rubbish from within our club the better.
Bloody joke.'"
It is you who is the bloody joke.
You know 100% full well that there is no "new broom" (by which you mean someone, anyone, with unfeasibly large pots of money, most of which they improbably want to pour into the Bulls).
You offer no "solutions" other than sacking everyone. 100% from Hood down to the tealady. You want the entire lot sacked. the coaches are crap, the players are crap, the board is crap.
Oh, and speaking of the coaches, Mr. Burgess did"I am who I am today because of the Bradford systems that I have been in, because of the coaches and all the people at the club," he added. "(Head coach) Steve McNamara in particular, has been a massive influence on my career.
"They have all been very influential, both for myself and my career and I won't be turning my back on them because further down the line I'd like to think I may come back one day."'"
Now, usual expected platitudes aside, he had absolutely no need at all to pick out McNamara for individual especial praise. But he did. I bet you can't think of a way to put your knee-jerk negative spin on that.On second thoughts . . .
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| Quote: debaser "For all the people blaming the clube here, again I say, what do you think they should have done? Lots of complaints, no answers.'"
Indeed. As I said earlier, it doesn't require a lot of brainpower to just complain. Rather more to actually fix the problem.
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| Quote: Adeybull "Indeed. As I said earlier, it doesn't require a lot of brainpower to just complain. Rather more to actually fix the problem.'"
And nobody in any sport ever has, or ever will solve the problem of a major player who wants away. Not even the behemoth that is Man United could keep Ronaldo when he decided he wanted to go.
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "And nobody in any sport ever has, or ever will solve the problem of a major player who wants away. Not even the behemoth that is Man United could keep Ronaldo when he decided he wanted to go.'"
Hey, itsa seemples! You justa playa da player in de reserves to teacha da player de lesson, dotcha know?
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| Good luck to Sam and the Rabbitohs for next year. I'm sure he'll do them proud and I can see we didn't have a lot of cards to play, other than to cash in whilst there was still the opportunity to do so.
However, it's a bit rich having a go at ME for moaning about it - after all that's what he does best Particularly as it was Adey that told us only an idiot would announce losing Burgess without being able to give us some good news at the same time (let's hope that's coming today or tomorrow) and it was FA that was towing the line that the Bulls hadn't even heard from Souths up until minutes before it was announced! At the very least it's not been particularly well handled on the PR front.
I'm afraid I also fear that the squad and coach we have now is most likely to mean lower table rugby for at least next year and probably beyond that with the attendant impact upon crowds which combined with increasing overheads will further effect recruitment. I just hope that's not the downward spiral it has started to look like.
It would be hard for anyone to make good the loss of a good proportion of the playing rota and an influx of new players in the first year, so no doubt we'll hear the plausible excuse that they have to gel etc wheeled out early next year. Unfortunately we waited three years for the team that Mac built to come good, which never quite happened, and now he's dismantled that team and is starting again. I can't say that his previous record on recruitment, selection and performance would convince me he's likely to succeed.
Meanwhile whilst i accept Hood might be the best of a bad job and there's not a rush of others coming forward, at least not with the finances available to them, it does strike me that things could be better managed. I suppose it doesn't help that we have a large shareholder who seems to think there's no conflict of interests in him acting as an agent for our best player(s).
As for all the stuff about what's the alternative, well without knowing more about the relationships between directors, organisational structure, management style, finances, PR operation etc etc it would be a bit difficult. But it's a lame argument just to say you can't criticise because you don't have a fully worked out alternative.
At the moment things look shaky, we have finished outside of the playoffs for the first time in SL, we've got rid of a good proportion of the playing rota, sold arguably our best player, crowds are down and the club is either unable or reluctant to tell us the way ahead is in anything other than youth and the status quo. Given that other teams also have good youth set ups and the status quo has already driven a fair number of people away it's hardly surprising there's some criticism and anger.
My own guess is that the hostility towards ME etc is partly a way of expressing similar frustrations with the club which seems intent on defying even the learned expectations of Adey, FA, AF etc.
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| Quote: anarkik "Particularly as it was Adey that told us only an idiot would announce losing Burgess without being able to give us some good news at the same time '"
Indeed it was. And, if through choice they chose to do so, then I'd despair.
But I feel sure that the only reason the club made an announcement now was because the Aussies - or Caisley (wonder how much he made on the deal?) - or whoever - was making it clear that their side was intent on announcing it now anyway. Indeed, it had been so widely leaked that the club was surely forced to respond. And after all, it was people on here and elsewhere that were clamouring for an announcement from the club?
My guess is that the club is mightily pîssed off that they have been forced into announcing Sam going before they could couple it with better news. But thats my guess.
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| Quote: anarkik "My own guess is that the hostility towards ME etc is partly a way of expressing similar frustrations with the club which seems intent on defying even the learned expectations of Adey, FA, AF etc.'"
Can't speak for others, but in my own case not so. My frustration with ME is for his incessant pounding-on about what he believes is wrong (although he went much quieter on the "its all Macca's fault" monologue once we started winning again, and now "its all Hood's fault" - teadlady's turn coming up) but never making realistic suggestions about how to fix it.
Anyone can do that. And its the perogative of fans to always complain about things they are not happy with anyway.
But in my opinion, the more extensive and the more forceful the complaining, the more the responsibility to suggest some practicable answers. Otherwise, you face the increasing likelihood of been told to put up or shut up. That is where ME differs from most other complainers on here. The more he complains, the relatively less he offers by way of practicable alternatives. Compare and contrast with someone like you, who tries to offer some balance and reasoning and (like most of us) understands that you cannot look at issues like this in black and white terms - because its in many shades of grey.
And yes, I am as frustrated as the next man at the current situation, and at the lack of positive news. But I would like to think I am responsible and adult enough to recognise that it is possible the club feel exactly the same, and that maybe they are exasperated at being held hostage to events. The next few weeks will give the proof or the lie to this. I'd prefer to keep most of my powder dry until then.
But woe betide if, after a decent period, nothing remains forthcoming.
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