I stopped reading as soon I saw you claim Kearney to be a stand off. You obviously know nothing.

Whilst you of course are a rugby genius, you might like to check the clubs official description of Kearney's position on the Squad section of the website!

Now jog on sunshine

You would probably not release any cap money on the three I have highlighted.

You would have to pay their contracts off, and - apart from taking up funds that could be utilised elsewhere - the pay-offs would count as cap spend for 2012 and 2013 as appropriate. You would only free up cap space if a deal was done with other clubs to take them, deals with which the players were satisfied and which did not involve us in funding part of the salary at the new club. If these three are as bad as you suggest, what other club would want them?

I hadn't realised the restrictions on releasing them, my apologies and I didn't say they were bad just surplus to my vision for improvement.

It would be useful to have a comprehensive list of those players who are out of contract at the end of the current season.

I know there used to be a thread about this, but I can't seem to spot it at the moment. Having the relevant list would help to put a stop to these constant and daft posts about 'getting rid' of this or that player.

We made the same mistake on here when discussing releasing Hall. I had not fully appreciated the salary cap rules where a player is "released" until one of our visitors (IIRC) pointed out the rules. As someone who thought he was pretty clued up on the cap rules, I seem to recall having to eat a portion of humble pie for tea that evening...

And OK my bad for misinterpreting your meaning re the releasees. But, knowing our track record, I'd bet the mother in law on most of them going on to great things as soon as they signed for their next club...

rlIt never went away...rl

Thanks Adey

So, for the sake of clarification, the players we can get rid of are

Chev Walker
Patrick Ah Van
Marc Herbert
Shaun Ainscough
Gareth Raynor
Shad Royston
Vinny Finnigan

Hmmm. It's interesting that, in the midst of the talk of a 'clear out', most of the players that people seem to want to get rid of are the ones we can't. And the one's we [ican[/i lose, well quite a few people want to keep them....

A lot of people want to keep Raynor, Royston and Ainscough. If we can't get better from down under we are possibly going to be retaining Herbert and/or Ah Van as well. And losing Walker and Finnigan isn't really going to make much space in the cap for new blood is it?

Sorry to sound pessimistic, but I don't really see how we are going to be able to have a big re-structuring. We could probably lose one of Raynor, Royston or Ainscough, but - again - its not freeing up huge amounts of money.

Looks like 3 or 4 new players at best, of which one is presumably Lulia.

Kearney is a fullback. Anyone who's watched the game can figure that one out. Its like Michael Monaghan was touted as a scrum half but everyone knows he plays better at hooker.

After this you clearly proved you know naf all about top class rugby league and you ability to judge on positions and roles. Thank god your not in charge may be even worse with your lack of knowledge.

The above is pretty interesting reading.

Apart from believing the poster makes a sound point, that list makes grim reading. 11 mainly senior players (and I suspect that is far from a complete list, to which you woudl add other earlier-in-season injuries?) sidelined for protracted periods. Whilst far from excusing the collapse of confidence and seeming abilioty to defend that we have seen so often, it is surely no wonder we have struggled this year?

The reason we look so knackered is IMO due to us turning the ball over so much and giving away too many penalties. If we looked after the ball we'd not have to work so hard in defence.

That said I do think we could be fitter. Most other teams seem to drive the ball in with more enthusiasm and win the collision better than us. It's not that we're incapable of it just that we only seem to manage it in short spells before going off the boil. But is that down to fitness or attitude or both?

On the signings front. I would release Ah Van, Herbert and Walker provided we could get better quality replacements.

Well according to "Rugby League Express" i think it was - [iRaynor[/i has signed up for another year !!!