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| The "New Signings" thread brought up a good discussion about our next choice of head coach if John Kear goes at the end of 2022 when his current contract expires. I'm still unable to split the threads on here so have re-posted the comments below so we can have a separate thread.
Quote: New Signings " I’d be interested to know what bradfords fans opinions are on old school coaches like kear and McDermott in comparison to relatively young coaches like Grix and Ford and if that will have an impact on the season .'"
Quote: New Signings "Look mate, it’s no good you and Greg Florimo coming on here with your reasonable tone and genuine interest. We are supposed to come on each other’s forums just to be a complete git. Try again but with more sarcasm. I think John Kear is vast approaching the time when he needs to be properly grooming his successor. I’m not saying he’s Peter Fox but he’s getting what you might call “Old school” and thought should be given on who he can impart all his knowledge to. I thought that was Danny Brough but that seems to be out of the window.
It might actually be that we can’t afford to have a high calibre assistant coach (no disrespect to anyone at the club now) to act as JKs heir.'"
Quote: New Signings "I'm not sure you can lump Kear and McDermott together as they are generations apart. Both can be a bit prickly if asked what they consider to be a daft question but McDermott retired in 2002 and Kear some time in the early 80s if memory serves.
Kear gets some stick for his sides being overly forward orientated but I often think you can only work with the tools you have. From what I've seen he has a very professional approach which is what we needed with a young side and with a club with an owner as flaky as Chalmers. Experience counts for a lot when dealing with people and Kear has plenty which is a real asset. He'll have learnt a heck of a lot over the years. I guess the problem emerges if you become out of touch with modern methods or become unable to communicate with younger players. I've no reason to think either McDermott or Kear are in that situation.
I expect Kear and Wood will have had discussions about what happens in 2023+. Kear only has 2022 on his contract with us. If Kear were to retire I'd hope we're very careful about who we appoint and don't just go for an ex-player from the golden era just because we remember him being good on the field.'"
Quote: New Signings "Not sure we are enough of a draw for someone from the golden era. Probably more of a Nick Zisti.'"
Quote: New Signings "SL assistants might want to take a head coach job. Danny Mcguire,Kurt Haggerty,Luke Robinson,Danny Orr to name a few. Lee Greenwood and Rhys Lovegrove could be options from Championship/League 1.'"
Quote: New Signings "Kear is no doubt a very shrewd coach with tons of experience, however I do feel that in many ways the game has left him behind and I do question a lot of his methods and tactics. Whilst he has never been given huge sums of money to spend on a squad, he hasn't been too badly treated in that respect and on many occasions we have badly performed when compared to other sides with even lower spending power.
My honest feeling is that his teams since arriving have been woefully unfit and this results in fewer 80min performances with mistakes creeping in due to tiredness. His unwillingness to play off the cuff rugby has also seen a number of players leave an go on to embarrass us when they return with new clubs.
I accept that it is probably where we are as a club, but even with significant investment I don't believe for one minute that Kear is the man to lead us back to SL.
For me if this was his last year, I wouldn't be overly disappointed, but the next appointment would say a lot about what direction the owners were taking the club.'"
Quote: New Signings "Regarding Kear I've always said be careful what you wish for, for those wanting him gone. I always find the style of play conversation interesting with Kear branded a dinosaur and and some of the younger coaches playing "off-the-cuff", yet reading Yorks forum last season, their fans seemed frustrated at their style. Ironically for us it was our defence we seemed to struggle with last season which is the area you'd always say was Kears strongest point.
I think Bullseye comments are spot on. Kears brought stability and probably a respect to the club. We were a L1 side who had hit rock bottom when he took over. We now seem stable (which came with a big bump in the road) and since that time we've earned promotion back to the championship, and now competing in the play-offs, as well a cup victory over Leeds in there as well. I think we'd have all taken that when Kear came through the doors of a L1 club on its knees. Don't get me wrong there's been some frustrations there, particularly having a poor record in the "crucial games" but I think Kears done alright.
Next season will be interesting. Kear wants us to go up another level. We should have finished third this year so are in a decent starting position, and I think our signings will all improve us. So I think there's more pressure on Kear to deliver, particularly on those crucial bigger games.'"
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| As a fan looking in, I can see Chris Chester being a candidate if he's not Head Coach at Leigh or he gets fed up with Derek.
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| Who's our reserves coach? Mark Dunning? It will probably end up being him.
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| I think Mark's savvy enough that he won't be applying if it comes up at the end of next year.
Whoever we do get must have a decent track record. It's easy to be seduced by someone young, articulate and enthusiastic (Rohan Smith) but in the end its results that matter. That loss at Fev at the end of 2016 when we had a great team on paper still sticks in the mind. Smith was utterly out coached.
We've turned in some awful performances under Kear too but I see them more down to the limitations of the players than the coach.
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| O/T but Adrian Lam new coach at Leigh. Don't think this is a good move, I thought Wigan looked worse than I've seen them for a long time, particularly in attack.
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| Agreed
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| Kear has done OK with what the squads he's been given but in both seasons in the Championship we've faded late on. We've often lost close, crucial games when it really mattered, to York and Workington in 2018, and Fax and Widnes this year. I don't mind a forwards game, but it needs to include an offload game. At times it is dour stuff.
On the up side, he's signed a whole new backline which will have more pace and hopefully bring us out of back field thereby giving us more sets in the opponents half. He's signed some projects, and it's very much his squad now. Whilst, I like him and appreciate the way he presents the club, I think this season needs to be a big improvement or it's time for a change.
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| I too think we could improve our offload and support play. How many times have we seen a player look to offload but nobody is anywhere near. Or even worse a player does offload but players are oblivious because they're just expecting him to take the tackle.
Think the crumbling toward the end of the season may be a lot to do with our small squad.
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| Quote: Bullseye "I think Mark's savvy enough that he won't be applying if it comes up at the end of next year.
Whoever we do get must have a decent track record. It's easy to be seduced by someone young, articulate and enthusiastic (Rohan Smith) but in the end its results that matter. That loss at Fev at the end of 2016 when we had a great team on paper still sticks in the mind. Smith was utterly out coached.
We've turned in some awful performances under Kear too but I see them more down to the limitations of the players than the coach.'"
I was disappointed that Rohan never got a chance here. I still see his name mentioned over in Aus and I'm pretty sure he just won the coach of the year award for the competition he's coaching in currently.
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| [*] Quote: Nothus "I was disappointed that Rohan never got a chance here. I still see his name mentioned over in Aus and I'm pretty sure he just won the coach of the year award for the competition he's coaching in currently.'"
He coaches North Devils and they just won the League under the NRL.
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| It'd be interesting to see if an NRL team picks him up.
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| Quote: Nothus "I was disappointed that Rohan never got a chance here. I still see his name mentioned over in Aus and I'm pretty sure he just won the coach of the year award for the competition he's coaching in currently.'" Smith was out of his depth if you discount the pointless championship shield which was a sign of failure his record isn't great. 5 defeats in 12 games including the debacle at Featherstone the 20 - 0. Its another of those mysteries while he's held in such regard that's more probably to do with stopping on after the admin not his coaching record.
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| I think for Rohan it was a case of a big job came too soon. The year before we missed out on the million pound game and Lowes was sacked halfway through a season. Rohan came in to a team that wasn’t his. Coached 20 games and won 14. Yes he lost at Fev and it was bad. But I thought he was a good coach. He brought in Moss, Chisholm etc. They enjoyed it under him. And we had a couple of 80-0 at the back end too.
He’s gone to Norths and won the league last season. I think he’d be ideal. But I don’t think he’d come back now.
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| I might be wrong but I thought that game away to Fev was right around the time it came to light that we had been put in special measures. It wouldn't surprise me if word had already spread amongst the players and that performance was the result.
There's no doubt Rohan can coach.
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| Quote: Nothus "I might be wrong but I thought that game away to Fev was right around the time it came to light that we had been put in special measures. It wouldn't surprise me if word had already spread amongst the players and that performance was the result.
There's no doubt Rohan can coach.'"
I tend to agree.
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