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Quote: Highlander "So. What kind of reset do we need? We lost about 2k supporters when we were relegated from SL. And we’ve lost about 300 every year since then.
Short term, we’re stuck with Odsal. I think. How long a lease did we sign at the beginning of last year? With the numbers we’re down to now, we could make BPA work I think.
It’s all about recruitment and the academy. I would say a mix of our 6 best academy players and maybe 8 others, to cover for the 16 that are leaving?'"


We need a new owner. Without one the slide will continue. Look at his track record so far:

1. Pitch at Odsal the smallest ever and one that the head coach acknowledges is a problem with resultant negative impacts on results, playing style, income and perception.

2. Presiding over a culture at the club where visibly obese players are picked regularly for the 1st team to the mockery of all and sundry on TV and social media.

3. Supporters needing to bring their own cleaning equipment into the stadium to clean seats or face ruined clothing.

4. Two month long worldwide search for a head coach culminating in appointing the bloke who was already here.

If we carry on like this there's no doubt we'll be struggling to avoid relegation next year. We'll be battling to stay above Newcastle and whoever comes up behind Keighley.

If we move to BPA it would only confirm how low we've got and impact further on player recruitment at all levels.

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Quote: Silver Bullitt "I thought the only reason we were able to move back to Odsal was because the motorsports were sharing the £500k pa occupancy costs? (Probably more than that now).
All the “issues” we have- tiny pitch, carriageway dividers, red dust on the seats and terracing, have been done to accommodate stock car racing. If they are paying the lion’s share of the costs, then I guess that’s fair enough and I’m not sure what we can do about it.
Has anybody seen where motorsport fits into the Odsal Sporting City plans? (Academic point that it probably is.)'"


You're correct Silver
Its been stated many times publicly that with out the stockcars wed still be at Dewsbury. Unfortunately a consiquence i
of the stock cars means the small pitch. There was never an option to return to odsal and play in the pitch the size it was before. It was either Dewsbury or the small pitch.
Im not saying i agree with it by the way, far from it but its the facts

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Quote: RagingBull "You're correct Silver
Its been stated many times publicly that with out the stockcars wed still be at Dewsbury. Unfortunately a consiquence i
of the stock cars means the small pitch. There was never an option to return to odsal and play in the pitch the size it was before. It was either Dewsbury or the small pitch.
Im not saying i agree with it by the way, far from it but its the facts'"


The facts have been very thin on the ground IMO. I don't recall one of the terms of the deal being that Bulls fans have to clean their own seats. That wasn't a problem AFAIK when we had speedway and stockcars back in the 80s. So why does it happen now? Perhaps clean up wasn't addressed in the deal? If not, why did we sign up?

As for the reduced pitch size I'm not sure that was communicated to supporters or the coaching staff when the move back to Odsal was proposed. There was talk of something being done to deal with the corners but that then seemed to be on the too hard (or too expensive) pile. The next thing you know we're playing on a kids pitch.

The current pitch size is a real problem for a side as limited as ours and that level of ability isn't going to change without investment. So that means further decline. Perhaps when attendances hit 500 Wood will see there's a problem?

The move back to Odsal was touted as "what the fans want" yet the place is now even more of a millstone than it was before we left for Dewsbury. Filthy and impossible to play decent rugby on. If someone was deliberately engineering a situation where they wanted to kill professional RL in the city they couldn't do a better job than this.

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Quote: Bullseye "The facts have been very thin on the ground IMO. I don't recall one of the terms of the deal being that Bulls fans have to clean their own seats. That wasn't a problem AFAIK when we had speedway and stockcars back in the 80s. So why does it happen now? Perhaps clean up wasn't addressed in the deal? If not, why did we sign up?

As for the reduced pitch size I'm not sure that was communicated to supporters or the coaching staff when the move back to Odsal was proposed. There was talk of something being done to deal with the corners but that then seemed to be on the too hard (or too expensive) pile. The next thing you know we're playing on a kids pitch.

The current pitch size is a real problem for a side as limited as ours and that level of ability isn't going to change without investment. So that means further decline. Perhaps when attendances hit 500 Wood will see there's a problem?

The move back to Odsal was touted as "what the fans want" yet the place is now even more of a millstone than it was before we left for Dewsbury. Filthy and impossible to play decent rugby on. If someone was deliberately engineering a situation where they wanted to kill professional RL in the city they couldn't do a better job than this.'"


I dont disagree with a lot of what your saying.

Part of he deal with the original stock car company was that they would clean up after the event. Which i believe did happen for the first few race nights. I think once they understood the cost involved that soon stopped and it certainly has happened with the new stock car promoter thats for sure.

The biggest balls up for me was the decision to go with a clay track on a milti purpose stadium. Absutely mindless, selfish dwcision. A tarmac track would have got rid of most of the problems we have with the state of the stadium (albeit not the litch). I was in the coral stand on friday for the acadamy awards night, it was noticable how many people we stood looking down from the windows discussing what a s**t state the old girl was is. The red tinge everywhere is appaling.

Finally, and im no rocket scientist so just go with me here.
During covid just about every football team in the country had thier stands covered in tarp full of sponsors and advertising for the games on the tv. You would think there would be a few clubs that have all the tarps left over with little use for them.
Wouldnt it be a genious idea if the speedway lot got hold of some and covered the front 20 rows of the stand or so every time there is a race meet? Just throwing it out there!!

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I knew there was a reason I don’t view the bulls forum much these days, ITS DEPRESSING

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Quote: RagingBull "
The biggest balls up for me was the decision to go with a clay track on a multi purpose stadium. Absolutely mindless, selfish decision. A tarmac track would have got rid of most of the problems we have with the state of the stadium (albeit not the litch). I was in the coral stand on friday for the acadamy awards night, it was noticeable how many people we stood looking down from the windows discussing what a s**t state the old girl was is. The red tinge everywhere is appaling.'"


It was said at the time that they hoped to add Speedway to the mix. That hasn't happened and I don't believe it will as Speedway is in a worse state than Rugby League right now, and nobody is interested in promoting speedway.

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