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| Quote Ferocious Aardvark="Ferocious Aardvark"Well, it's a shame you prefer hyperbole to discussion, but hey. I know this is the internet where hyperbole is king, but to say he" never had credibility" does seem to dismiss without a thought his rescuing of a dead-in-the-water club, assembling a decent squad with a fine coach, getting promotion and ending first year in the Championship just shy of the playoffs. He had no choice but either to take the existing arrangements "as was" when he took over, or walk away, but how does any of the above, or refusing to renew a clearly unaffordable arrangement, mean he has "no credibility"? Genuine question. On what are you basing your dismissive "he's never had any in my book"?'"
From another forum - [urlhttps://www.totalrl.com/forums/index.php?/topic/344056-whats-going-on-at-odsal/&do=findComment&comment=4171765[/url This sums up my thoughts on Chalmers- Genuine apologies for in this instance resorting to hyperbole - I just couldn't be bothered repeating myself (My issue, not yours of course)
He has chosen to walk away from a rubbish deal, yep that makes sense, I don't think anyone's arguing that. (I'll admit, I was a little confused by your first reply today, for the avoidance of doubt I'm not saying we should stay at Odsal..!). It's the whole "New Stadium coming in two years, or is it four, actually look over there, we're making a push for Super League, please buy a season ticket" without anything solid to back one iota of that up. Surely given the past decade the fans deseve some honesty if a decision of this magnitude is made.
Considering how lightning quick Chalmers is to knock anyone who has a go at him (usually SL chairmen), his silence since Friday night's statement is quite deafening.
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| Quote amberavenger="amberavenger"From another forum - [urlhttps://www.totalrl.com/forums/index.php?/topic/344056-whats-going-on-at-odsal/&do=findComment&comment=4171765[/url This sums up my thoughts on Chalmers- Genuine apologies for in this instance resorting to hyperbole - I just couldn't be bothered repeating myself (My issue, not yours of course)
He has chosen to walk away from a rubbish deal, yep that makes sense, I don't think anyone's arguing that. (I'll admit, I was a little confused by your first reply today, for the avoidance of doubt I'm not saying we should stay at Odsal..!). It's the whole "New Stadium coming in two years, or is it four, actually look over there, we're making a push for Super League, please buy a season ticket" without anything solid to back one iota of that up. Surely given the past decade the fans deseve some honesty if a decision of this magnitude is made.
Considering how lightning quick Chalmers is to knock anyone who has a go at him (usually SL chairmen), his silence since Friday night's statement is quite deafening.'"
I’d question the sanity of anyone that sides with the RFL in most arguments... especially in this one. Chalmers is against a rock and a hard place with regards the stadium, and he’s taken the only sensible decision he could.
The statement by the RfL is petty, inconsistent and driven by short term self interest. But given the track record of the people running this sport, why would we expect anything else.
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| It amazes me that people seem to slag the RFL off all year every year - except when they are in dispute with us.
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| Quote rugbyreddog="rugbyreddog"It amazes me that people seem to slag the RFL off all year every year - except when they are in dispute with us.'"
I am slightly incredulous too. The RFL are widely perceived as inept but not a single probing question is ever asked of the murky involvement the RFL have had in every Bradford administration and with Odsal. Not from fans and, worse, not from Journalists.
Even those willing to dish out blame to the RFL make out they are amiable buffoons, who have just been trying to help Bradford but inadvertently made things worse. I'm loathe to be a conspiracy theorist but that's not ringing true any more imo.
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| The post was basically about what effect the club leaving Odsal would have on the RFL.
Largely based on the idea that the ground, according to our chairman, is uneconomic and no-one other than romantics think it is in anyway likely to be financially capable of sustainably hosting rugby matches again. Unless, of course, someone, presumably with commercial interests, comes up with cash to finance a rebuild/renovation. Then, naturally, all bets are off, but we've been waiting a long time already for that dream.
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| RFL new statement : The bloke that we put into Odsal as a safe financial pair of hands has proven to have too safe a pair of hands in that he will not pay us 3 times the rent that he would pay at another ground and £500k maintenance. Should the Bulls go back into Admin we will leave no stone unturned to find another gullible entrepreneur.
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| I would like Chalmers to have a fans forum and speak honestly with us. At the moment there are some warning flags being waved and the rabid social media is going in overdrive with rumour awash.
The only facts we know are we have a deal to move to Dewsbury for 1 year. The RFL have put us in special measures. No one is 100% sure why that is (despite what some people say) the RFL say it is due to Chalmers lack of detail in the budget for next year. Or course we should believe random people on random podcasts though...
The uneasy feeling I have though is the RFL released such an amateurish statement that I don't even know what they write is honest or true. I doubt anyone will be buying a ST unless confident of our position which will affect our trade. The RFL must have known the consequences of airing their dirty laundry but did it anyway. As Nothus said earlier the complete lack of respect they had for the fans and even the club beggared belief. Differences should always be done behind closed doors.
Chalmers needs to come out and say where we are. I couldn't care less if we have to settle for being a mid-table championship team for the nest few years due to cost cutting as long as we have a team to follow. If that's the situation then tell us.
Unfortunately until he does, then us fans will have to put up with RL journalists roulette where they pedal out a story, and if it comes true a few months later they can say "I told you so I told you so" despite none of them having any evidence into the situation. The game callers journlistic style if you like.
I don't have any evidence to say whether we're fine or not so I would like our Chairman to come and ease those concerns. Otherwise very few will be buying ST
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| Quote Ginger="Ginger"Quote Ginger="amberavenger"From another forum - [urlhttps://www.totalrl.com/forums/index.php?/topic/344056-whats-going-on-at-odsal/&do=findComment&comment=4171765[/url This sums up my thoughts on Chalmers- Genuine apologies for in this instance resorting to hyperbole - I just couldn't be bothered repeating myself (My issue, not yours of course)
He has chosen to walk away from a rubbish deal, yep that makes sense, I don't think anyone's arguing that. (I'll admit, I was a little confused by your first reply today, for the avoidance of doubt I'm not saying we should stay at Odsal..!). It's the whole "New Stadium coming in two years, or is it four, actually look over there, we're making a push for Super League, please buy a season ticket" without anything solid to back one iota of that up. Surely given the past decade the fans deseve some honesty if a decision of this magnitude is made.
Considering how lightning quick Chalmers is to knock anyone who has a go at him (usually SL chairmen), his silence since Friday night's statement is quite deafening.'"
I’d question the sanity of anyone that sides with the RFL in most arguments... especially in this one. Chalmers is against a rock and a hard place with regards the stadium, and he’s taken the only sensible decision he could.
The statement by the RfL is petty, inconsistent and driven by short term self interest. But given the track record of the people running this sport, why would we expect anything else.'"
You know it's entirely possible to think both Chalmers and the RFL are pretty reprehensible at the same time- if you'd clicked through to the larger post, you'd see that I'm hardly complementary about the RFLs vested interested in the case. In fact if you'd read my post at all you'd know I don't have an issue with moving the club away from Odsal.
The only thing I agree with from the RFL is that they have called Chalmers's bluff that there will be a new stadium in the next few years because its an incredible statement to make without a shred of evidence. Its playing with the emotions of a fan base that could do without it - if Chalmers had any sort of clue what's gone on with the club he bought then you'd think he might know that.
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| Quote rugbyreddog="rugbyreddog"It amazes me that people seem to slag the RFL off all year every year - except when they are in dispute with us.'"
This.
Also in what world would the fans be privy to any future stadium build plans at such an early stage? We wouldn't. I don't understand why people are bemoaning a lack of credible future plan. Where does that idea even come from? The RFL? The organisation that have hamstrung us for a decade and suddenly we believe their rubbish? Also it is too early for the bones of any future plan to be there, never mind the meat. Chalmers seems to have at least weighed up some credible short term options for us with a view to longer term planning in the coming years. We couldn't really ask for much more than that.
Chalmers could be a cavalier, but he's our only hope.
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| Quote Pumpetypump="Pumpetypump"I am slightly incredulous too. The RFL are widely perceived as inept but not a single probing question is ever asked of the murky involvement the RFL have had in every Bradford administration and with Odsal. Not from fans and, worse, not from Journalists.
Even those willing to dish out blame to the RFL make out they are amiable buffoons, who have just been trying to help Bradford but inadvertently made things worse. I'm loathe to be a conspiracy theorist but that's not ringing true any more imo.'"
The poster AF, formerly of this parish, asked Aaron Bower (also formerly of this parish) on Twitter last week why the issue of our last takeover and the RFLs conflict of interest hasn't been pushed more by the RL press. The answer came back that "we asked but nobody answered"....!
To me the problem with RL becoming an increasingly smaller sport is that ask even the smallest tough question, you risk losing your seat at the top table.
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| Quote amberavenger="amberavenger"The poster AF, formerly of this parish, asked Aaron Bower (also formerly of this parish) on Twitter last week why the issue of our last takeover and the RFLs conflict of interest hasn't been pushed more by the RL press. The answer came back that "we asked but nobody answered"....!
To me the problem with RL becoming an increasingly smaller sport is that ask even the smallest tough question, you risk losing your seat at the top table.'"
I do remember Ralph Rimmer coming to Odsal, expecting a heroes welcome and getting a roasting.
He hasn't been back, has he?
"If you can't (or don't want to) answer the questions, don't say owt" seems to be the resounding takeaway from the RFL and our Chairman at the moment.
It's a shambles again.
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