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| I've found the section which is tin the Notes to "Tackle & Play The Ball" Section. With pictures. it clearly statesSecond movement after tackle
When an attacking player is tackled within easy reach of the goal line he should be penalised if he makes a second movement to place the ball over the line for a try.
If an attacking player in possession is brought down near the goal line and the ball is not grounded it is permissible to place the ball over the line for a try. In this case the tackle has not been completed.'"
Surely no qualified ref could find that in any way unclear?
But what irked me about the second one, he knew it was a double-movement as he watched the whole "try" several times, and became convinced the BCA may have touched the ground. So he got a final angle to check. If there was any "momentum" issue (there wasn't, as the player never did get across the line) then why hadn't he already made tthe decision, sinc ethen, the BCA point would be completely irrelevant. IIRC his final off-the-cuff words were ludicrously "not held". What he meant was the tackle may not have been called complete, but the player was indisputably in an effective tackle, and the point is not whether the ref called "held", but that he was now prohibited during the completion of the tackle from promoting the ball over the line.
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| Quote: gizempo "As a fax fan watching I was even screaming double moment. My thoughts were had this happened further back in field and the player passed the ball I bet the ref would have penalised both instances and the one today. The momentum rule used to be as long as u didn't make a second movement with your arm. Guess they have relaxed it then?'"
It would seem so - one of those 'interpretations', I guess.
Thing is that the RFL can get away with anything as, IIRC - "If [iin the opinion[/i of the referee" is the first line of every law in the book. If the ref thought that is what happened then that's what happened - whether the video is showing otherwise or not.
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| My initial reaction (in real time) to both was a double movement....I am yet to be convinced otherwise.
Just glad the result wasn't affected on the back of it.
On the other hand if Leeds had stuck to what looked like their game plan initially (speedy rucks and momentum) it could have been a different result! Thank god they didn't!
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| Quote: Wigan Bull "My initial reaction (in real time) to both was a double movement....I am yet to be convinced otherwise.
Just glad the result wasn't affected on the back of it.
On the other hand if Leeds had stuck to what looked like their game plan initially (speedy rucks and momentum) it could have been a different result! Thank god they didn't!'"
...and the off-loads. Not sure if they decided to stop or we got better at stopping them, if it was the latter then I wish we'd got better earlier 'cos I was having kittens every tackle.
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| Totally agree. Although I think the double movement rule should be scrapped to the extent of if a players body does not move and just promotes the ball from tackling position. Only a personal opinion mind, and not talking about the two incidents in our game.
I can see argument for both sides, if a winger chases from the other side after a break and produces a great last ditch tackle should it be rewarded if the attacker promotes the ball carrying arm? How i see it is more emphasis shoudl be made on stopping the vreak in the first place and the emphasis should definitely be on the defender to stop it. If the attacker crawls forward or anything then agreed. But promoting the ball from a stationary tackle for me should be allowed
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| Errm, well yeah. We can argue about rule [ichanges[/i forever and a day and I'd guess there are quite a few variations which might work just as well, or even better than the laws as written, but, whilst we have to allow for how referees perceive the on-field position to be, once we've decided on the laws we really ought to stick to them, as written and not allow referees to go into 'mission creep' mode.
Going back as far as the old 'feeding the scrum' rules (and maybe even further, but that's as far back as I go...) the RFL have had a habit of keeping rules in the book and changing 'interpretations'. The law about feeding the ball down the centre of the tunnel was still there when the ball had been fed into the second row for 30 years and we wonder why folk don't understand the game.
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