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Mick put something similar on Twitter too
It's a funny one, as I would care to bet that a vast majority of the votes for Trevor Foster were by people who never saw him play. Obviously a club legend, but footage for those not old enough is very limited, and the game very different to its current guise.
I first went to a game around 1991-2 so caught the very back end of an odd appearance from Nobby and Mumby, so can at least say I saw them play for the club, but they were very much past their best at that point.
For me, I've not seen any players as gifted as Newlove and Henry Paul play for the club. Other favorites included Fairbank and Fielden, but for very differing reasons. Very much more about effort and commitment.
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| Quote Bradford Badger="Bradford Badger"Mick put something similar on Twitter too
It's a funny one, as I would care to bet that a vast majority of the votes for Trevor Foster were by people who never saw him play. Obviously a club legend, but footage for those not old enough is very limited, and the game very different to its current guise.
I first went to a game around 1991-2 so caught the very back end of an odd appearance from Nobby and Mumby, so can at least say I saw them play for the club, but they were very much past their best at that point.
For me, I've not seen any players as gifted as Newlove and Henry Paul play for the club. Other favorites included Fairbank and Fielden, but for very differing reasons. Very much more about effort and commitment.'"
There's also the other argument aside from whether you saw them play or not.
What defines the "greatest player"? There's an argument Trevor Foster is because of what he did for the club, rather than what he was actually like on the pitch. There's an argument Henry Paul is because he was one of the most skillful players I've certainly ever seen. But is effort more important than skill, at which point someone like a Jimmy Lowes who battled for 80 minutes every week like his life depended on it. Does having the right attitude and setting the correct example to young fans contribute? Or is a mixture of those things?
Depending on what defines the statement, would probably make the choice most people would make different.
Clearly there's other factors for other people too, as despite me very much rating Paul Deacon, I can't see how anyone would choose him as the greatest ever Bradford player. | | | |
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I remember once reading about the role a stand off should play - linking the outside backs in attack, good range of passing, a kicking game to support the scrum half, defensively sound. I Cant think of a more dominant 6 in every area as Henry, his running game -pace, evasion, ability to break tackles, passing range-organisng , and kicking immaculate but defensively it was no surprise he came back playing loose forward for London. I always thought Robbie's defense was underappreciated as well.
Not with us long enough to be greatest player but if withers gets in the top 10 surely he should be up there?
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I said this on another group I post in, opinions are based on what people perceive in their own minds defines the best. Be it, talent loyalty or longevity theres case and point for all. For me on pure talent alone it was Henry Paul. I didnt start playing until 13/14 so by the time I was going to games it was 96/97. But Henry for me was the best all round player I have seen for us. Saying that the amount of mentions needed even over the period I've been a fan for various reasons, Spruce, Les, Hape, Fielden, Peacock etc etc.
One thing this sort of thing gets me thinking about is players who had a decent career but could have been so much better. I genuinely believe Jamie Langley could have been GBs most Farrell type player, after coming through as a line breaking try scoring loose forward and getting GB caps, he (was it he or club) decided to bulk up too much for me stifling a lot of his game. I do think we saw a glimpse when he first went to KR of playing like the old Langley
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| Quote HamsterChops="HamsterChops"There's also the other argument aside from whether you saw them play or not.
What defines the "greatest player"? There's an argument Trevor Foster is because of what he did for the club, rather than what he was actually like on the pitch. There's an argument Henry Paul is because he was one of the most skillful players I've certainly ever seen. But is effort more important than skill, at which point someone like a Jimmy Lowes who battled for 80 minutes every week like his life depended on it. Does having the right attitude and setting the correct example to young fans contribute? Or is a mixture of those things?
Depending on what defines the statement, would probably make the choice most people would make different.
Clearly there's other factors for other people too, as despite me very much rating Paul Deacon, I can't see how anyone would choose him as the greatest ever Bradford player.'"
It's a minefield, to be honest.
I think if you're putting numbers, even metaphorically, on backs, then it has to be down to what they achieved as a player, though whether or not you actually saw any of a particular player's career is yet another interesting point in all these polls. Like Strictly come dancing, many will just vote for their favourite anyway, so it's hardly an objective exercise. Another major obstacle to objectivity is the fact that the game has changed, almost beyond recognition over the years - though I confess, I'm not altogether sure about whether the word 'almost' should be in that sentence, since 1950's RL, which I can still just about remember, truly contained very little which can be compared with the current game.
Maybe the poll is just a bit of fun? I for one can't take it too seriously - anymore that the club's 'team of the century' which they announced some time back. Different times, different rules, different games. | | | |
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| Quote Bulliac="Bulliac"Quote Bulliac="HamsterChops"There's also the other argument aside from whether you saw them play or not.
What defines the "greatest player"? There's an argument Trevor Foster is because of what he did for the club, rather than what he was actually like on the pitch. There's an argument Henry Paul is because he was one of the most skillful players I've certainly ever seen. But is effort more important than skill, at which point someone like a Jimmy Lowes who battled for 80 minutes every week like his life depended on it. Does having the right attitude and setting the correct example to young fans contribute? Or is a mixture of those things?
Depending on what defines the statement, would probably make the choice most people would make different.
Clearly there's other factors for other people too, as despite me very much rating Paul Deacon, I can't see how anyone would choose him as the greatest ever Bradford player.'"
It's a minefield, to be honest.
I think if you're putting numbers, even metaphorically, on backs, then it has to be down to what they achieved as a player, though whether or not you actually saw any of a particular player's career is yet another interesting point in all these polls. Like Strictly come dancing, many will just vote for their favourite anyway, so it's hardly an objective exercise. Another major obstacle to objectivity is the fact that the game has changed, almost beyond recognition over the years - though I confess, I'm not altogether sure about whether the word 'almost' should be in that sentence, since 1950's RL, which I can still just about remember, truly contained very little which can be compared with the current game.
Maybe the poll is just a bit of fun? I for one can't take it too seriously - anymore that the club's 'team of the century' which they announced some time back. Different times, different rules, different games.'"
It's not an official poll, so certainly not to be taken too seriously.
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After carefully counting the nominations and votes on social media for the greatest ever #BradfordNorthern #BradfordBulls player.
I can now reveal the top 20 players as chosen by you.
Thank you to everyone who took part in nominating and voting.
#BradfordNorthern #BradfordBulls Greatest ever player vote.
20/ Jeff Greyshon
19/ Jamie Langley
18/ Paul Medley
17/ Joe Phillips
16/ Brian McDermott
15/ Ernest Ward
14/ Paul Deacon
13/ Henry Paul
12/ Bernard Dwyer
11/ Graeme Bradley
10/ Frank Whitcombe
9/ Michael Withers
8/ Karl Fairbank
7/ Robbie Hunter-Paul
6/ James Lowes
5/ Brian Noble
4/ Ellery Hanley
3/ Keith Mumby
2/ Lesley Vainikolo
1/ Trevor John French Foster MBE
Trevor Foster recieved the most nominations and votes and has been crowned #BradfordNorthern #BradfordBulls greatest ever player.
Thank you to everyone who took part.
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| Quote MicktheGled="MicktheGled"It's not an official poll, so certainly not to be taken too seriously.
It was just something I posted to cure people of the Christmas blues.'"
Quote MicktheGled="MicktheGled"Trevor Foster recieved the most nominations and votes and has been crowned #BradfordNorthern #BradfordBulls greatest ever player.'"
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I entirely agree that Mumby is/was the best in a Northern shirt, certainly in the 70s/80s.
Hanley was without a doubt the best player (overall) in the modern era, in his career at Bradford Wigan Australia and Leeds.
There are lots of hard workers, Fairbanks, Forsythe,, Seaborne, Thompson, Casey, Rathbone Grayshon, Medley, (Neil Fox was with us twice!).....and obviously lots more in the Super League era especially people like Menzies and Forshaw.
For class, Robbie and Henry Paul are up there but so were Walford, A. Redfern, Pendlebury and Nigel Stephenson. Our elders would say, Foster, Batten, J Philllips, Ward, Whitcomb (signed with a World Record fee).
In the end Trevor Foster is/was Bradford Northern/Bulls, and deserves all our absolute respect, but as player, I am not sure the footage as evidence is there. We can only go on word of mouth. He coached me as a 14 year old at Police Boys and was clearly an amazing guy on and off the park .
Mumby and JT, taught me how to tackle, through mid/the late 70s, (and came to see me in hospital in 1979 with JT and Keith Bridges)....so clearly I have to go with Mumby overall in a RedAmber & Black shirt. I still have the one they brought me.
Mumby's defence is still the best I have seen, (with only Radlinski getting close). He could attack too with his 'dip' under the tackle move. The fact that George Fairborn got the GB shirt in front of Mumby still bugs me!
Incidentally I was looking for some of his scything tackles particularly on his left side. I found this. Interesting stuff.
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I entirely agree that Mumby is/was the best in a Northern shirt, certainly in the 70s/80s.
Hanley was without a doubt the best player (overall) in the modern era, in his career at Bradford Wigan Australia and Leeds.
There are lots of hard workers, Fairbanks, Forsythe,, Seaborne, Thompson, Casey, Rathbone Grayshon, Medley, (Neil Fox was with us twice!).....and obviously lots more in the Super League era especially people like Menzies and Forshaw.
For class, Robbie and Henry Paul are up there but so were Walford, A. Redfern, Pendlebury and Nigel Stephenson. Our elders would say, Foster, Batten, J Philllips, Ward, Whitcomb (signed with a World Record fee).
In the end Trevor Foster is/was Bradford Northern/Bulls, and deserves all our absolute respect, but as player, I am not sure the footage as evidence is there. We can only go on word of mouth. He coached me as a 14 year old at Police Boys and was clearly an amazing guy on and off the park .
Mumby and JT, taught me how to tackle, through mid/the late 70s, (and came to see me in hospital in 1979 with JT and Keith Bridges)....so clearly I have to go with Mumby overall in a RedAmber & Black shirt. I still have the one they brought me.
Mumby's defence is still the best I have seen, (with only Radlinski getting close). He could attack too with his 'dip' under the tackle move. The fact that George Fairborn got the GB shirt in front of Mumby still bugs me!
Incidentally I was looking for some of his scything tackles particularly on his left side. I found this. Interesting stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn-CWxM-X6k | |
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Apologies for that.....all my yesterdays!
I forgot to mention Nobby also. As GB Captain he has to be up there with hard work an leadership.
Big Roy has to be mentioned also. (Check 18 mins on this one)
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Apologies for that.....all my yesterdays!
I forgot to mention Nobby also. As GB Captain he has to be up there with hard work an leadership.
Big Roy has to be mentioned also. (Check 18 mins on this one)
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Quote JTCFJG="JTCFJG"...
Incidentally I was looking for some of his scything tackles particularly on his left side. I found this. Interesting stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7iUYWMD77w look at 41 mins 51 mins and then on the hour!'"
I'm getting the (excellent) Theresa May rap. I was expecting Sir Keith to enter stage left and take her out, but sadly not.
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Quote JTCFJG="JTCFJG"...
Incidentally I was looking for some of his scything tackles particularly on his left side. I found this. Interesting stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7iUYWMD77w look at 41 mins 51 mins and then on the hour!'"
I'm getting the (excellent) Theresa May rap. I was expecting Sir Keith to enter stage left and take her out, but sadly not.
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