There is a strong club scene in Auckland which feeds into the Warriors, but whilst they might not have a strong domestic competition there are over a 100 Kiwi qualified players in the NRL, which is by some way stronger than Super League. More to the point most young NZ'ers have learnt to pass and catch before they learn to walk!

GB/Ingurland doesn't matter. We'll never beat the Aussies when it matters.

Hasn't happened for over 40 years. It's never going to change.

Sburgess having a pop at the ref post-match says it all. Well beaten and unlikely to change whilst there are holes in s.

Well, yeah - never is a long time, but I tend to agree.

mentality. Pure and simple. The key men on the field for Australia (well, pretty much all of them) know what to do, and 95% of the time they execute it. So you spend swathes of time on your own line.

We have players who aimlessly dolly the bal to defenders, who can't find touch from penalties, and who can't catch or apss the ball.

The rest of the time they can do these things passably, but at the level of Australia, they shiit their pants and play like ts. Not all the time, but enough to gradually and comprehensively lose the war of attrition, and then start to deflate and implode.

Seen it all before. Need players who can play up to A-game in a Test match, not ones that can't execute at that level. The basic errors were frankly embarrassing. If I'd been an Aussie, i'd have been loking forward to that game, hoping at last the Burgess boys and the fetef backs would make it into a keen contest, even if I'd still expect Aus to win. The Aussie speccies must have been as mystified and disappointed as the rest of us that England couldn't play IN THAT KEY GAME at a level to even approach competing with Australia, who ended up winning at a canter.

I just assumed the Aussies would go easy on them, because the Kiwis would be a harder game in the final. But they obviously want to defeat everybody, all the time, which is a winners attitude.

On the plus side, the amount of progress Scotland made over the 3 games, was amazing. You could see the improvement across the board for the England game after the Aus game. And then they upped everything again, for the Kiwi game.