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Well then you seem to love to criticise someone about a job that you couldn't do yourself tells me your a complete fool.

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "TBF the cameras most used for the contentious VR decisions are those carried on the shoulder by the mobile cameramen.'"



Some of them are FA, I guess that's fair comment, but they usually only use the shots from ground level where there are fewer players milling about spoiling the view, and crucially they are outside the pitch, which to be fair only improves the argument about often getting a better view from [ioff[/i the paddock.

I get the idea that players have to regard the word of the ref as, 'the word of god', I absolutely do as the game gets quite awful when they don't, - but us speccies certainly don't. Referees are human beings - they make human mistakes and, shock horror, some are better than others. Some [imo] are also badly treated by the authorities and pitched into a level they are not yet equipped to deal with. I think we have every right to point out when this occurs.

I do wonder if the, "you can't do the job yourself", brigade would just accept any shoddy job from a tradesman on the basis that, "well, I couldn't do it better myself"? I assume they must.

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Quote: DrFeelgood "[sizeYour views are most certainly considered, sir. They are also extremely aggressive, accusatory, and inflammatory, and I don't think you actually believe that when you post something like that, it is for the good of the thread and not to simply condescend whoever you're aiming your gun at. So don't be surprised when people don't read on. I'm not the first to call you out that that, and by heck I won't be the last.

My original comment, for clarity, was built on the basis that
You surely can't be such a tender soul that sees personal affrontery and Vaderesque evil in every word? One of us needs to calm down but it's not me. I was, and am, objecting to hyperbolic writing off of match officials, and in particular even writing down a theory that a ref might be given a Final despite being useless, just to somehow post a "success story". The most bizarre part being the failure to explain how appointing a known total incompetent to make a porridge of a big game might work as a "success story" to post.

There were until recently I think only 4 full-time refs, and now Cobb (and Smith) have been promoted, but Mikalauskas is still part-time. There's no reason or justification for writing him off (or Cobb, for that matter). I remember a very similar situation with James Child when he first came on the scene, but he has grown into the job and I think he's a highly competent ref now.

I have no time for silly conspiracy theories, so I do tend to ridicule them. You try to make it sound like a reasonable thing to suggest; it wasn't.

Dealing specifically with the Final, having watched it again, I think he made the vast majority of decisions well enough, and it was only several inconsistencies (aided and abetted on occasion by his touchies) that were the problem. But, I disagree that this means he was promoted beyond his ability, overall the game flowed reasonably, there was not one single major mistake, the players were kept under control and he kept a lid on things, and the key point is he didn't have any influence on the outcome.

Whilst it was a Final, and so a step up, it wasn't the Superbowl. There was no reason not to give him the game and with hindsight I still say the same. Hopefully he'll have watched the video and gone through it inside the department, and will come on for it.

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "now Cobb (and Smith) have been promoted, but Mikalauskas is still part-time'"



Did I mis-read the story then that Mikaluskas was promoted to full time along with Smith? Or am I mis-reading your post?

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Quote: HamsterChops "Did I mis-read the story then that Mikaluskas was promoted to full time along with Smith? Or am I mis-reading your post?'"


No I think you're right, I was mixing up Cobb with Mikalauskas. I think Cobb went full time a couple of years back. At the time these two were promoted I think they were down to just 4 f/t refs

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While you're probably right, I have never seen either have a good game, and therefore I will not accept that they're good enough. I suppose that's fair icon_biggrin.gif

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