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| who is available to replace Jimmy? Do you replace one failed coach with another like Wakey and hull kr. My choice would be Glenn Morrison and if we have to wait for him so be it
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| Quote Birky bull="Birky bull"who is available to replace Jimmy? Do you replace one failed coach with another like Wakey and hull kr. My choice would be Glenn Morrison and if we have to wait for him so be it'"
Wait until when? I'm not sure we the luxury of waiting around for a coach. I'd be straight in the phone to Brian Smith and see if he'd be willing to return for 6 months or so to try and get us back up, maybe with someone like Morrison alongside him if he fancied being head coach in 2017.
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| If we had to take the plunge and look for a new coach then I'd want Morrison too. Whether we could afford Smith as well until the end of the season and whether Morrison would want to work under him is another matter. We may not be able to afford to pay Lowes off and compensate Dewsbury either.
Failing that I'd consider Rowley (provided he isn't meant to be part of this Canadian club that's being formed).
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| I'd love to see Noble back at the Bulls.
I think his motivational skills would be what is needed to get the best out of the current crop of players. Player recruitment might be easier with him in charge, given his standing in the game.
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| I personally wouldn’t want Rowley. He did well with Leigh in a league with very little competition but was found wanting when faced with a sterner challenge. All that "we only play flare rugby" cobblers work well against part time opposition but not SL.
I don't rate Jimmy's coaching ability at all but I'm not sure on what grounds he could be fired? We're still unbeaten in the league and we were knocked out of a cup which practically everybody on this site said we didn't need to be in? I'm sure that he would have a case for unfair dismissal on those grounds. That said, I'd still sack him right now if it were possible.
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| Quote daveyz999="daveyz999"I'd love to see Noble back at the Bulls.
I think his motivational skills would be what is needed to get the best out of the current crop of players. Player recruitment might be easier with him in charge, given his standing in the game.'"
Whilst I would love Nobby back - it's a huge risk for him if he doesn't get us up. Why risk his reputation at the club, especially with his gigs in the media etc he's probably better paid now than what we can offer him and he has nothing to prove - to Bulls fans anyway.
I'd be surprised if he is head coach of any club again to be honest - although if he was you could never rule us out of that equation totally should he change his mind. Maybe in a "director of rugby" style capacity though?
Re: Jimmy being fired today - Mick has said on Twitter today the club have dismissed it.
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| I've no idea what Jimmy's coaching skills are like as I've never been coached by him but looking at the team on the field we aren't playing anywhere near our potential. A lot of that may be down to us lacking a quality playmaker and having a few injuries. However I wonder if there's more to it. How do you explain our slow starts in games or our repeated inability to kill games off? We've also been slow around the ruck and vulnerable to a quick dummy half for ages without ever seeming to do anything about it. Our fringe defence has been shaky for a while too. He had my support last year - we were building a new team and we almost made it. However this year we seem to be worse rather than better. I'm really worried.
Lowes may be a decent coach but is he a good communicator? Noble certainly is. I think Rowley and Morrison are too. Is Lowes as good at putting over ideas and instructions? If his press conferences are anything to go by he certainly doesn't suffer fools. Can he get players of different personalties to respond to his instructions? I'm not sure that's happened consistently enough looking at our performances.
I'm sure a few convincing performances would shut all his critics up. The only trouble is they are so few and far between. Apart from Fev away and Leigh away in the 8s what performances really stood out as good from last year? There have been more bad than good so far this season so far.
I'm usually reluctant to say "sack the coach" as it's a big step and not guaranteed to work. However I feel that this season is our last chance. If we don't go up this year that's it really. Fans aren't going to keep paying top dollar for season tickets to see below par rugby. Our players with potential will seek moves as it's a short career. Much as Jimmy is a legend if it looks like he's not making progress we can't waste time hoping he turns it around.
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| Quote Sensei-Bull="Sensei-Bull"I personally wouldn’t want Rowley. He did well with Leigh in a league with very little competition but was found wanting when faced with a sterner challenge. All that "we only play flare rugby" cobblers work well against part time opposition but not SL.
I don't rate Jimmy's coaching ability at all but I'm not sure on what grounds he could be fired? We're still unbeaten in the league and we were knocked out of a cup which practically everybody on this site said we didn't need to be in? I'm sure that he would have a case for unfair dismissal on those grounds. That said, I'd still sack him right now if it were possible.'"
If we did get rid, we would absolutely have to pay him for the remainder of his contract, as is the case whenever a coach is sacked.
It's only when they resign, like Webster did at Wakefield last season, when no settlement is paid.
So to answer your question, of course it is possible, providing Marc Green (and the club) can afford to do it.
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| You might have a better chance of getting to the nitty gritty of why we are playing so poorly if we weren't involved in this phony competition which gives nothing other than a qualification for the 'real league', which starts later in the season. I'm sure the pointlessness of it [maybe not the right word, but I'm sticking with it gets to the players too? It's an old truism to say there are no pots given out in March but when the real comp doesn't even start till around late August it must be strange for the players.
To be honest, whether Lowesy goes or stays [and I'm not too fussed which things will be better later in the season when the bigger games come round, if for no other reason than no club can stay on peak form all year. Not that I'm thinking about promotion as, under the current system, our, or any other clubs, chances of going up are negligible enough to be down to some momentous slice of good fortune, even if we got Wayne Bennett as coach.
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| Can't please some people. Pretty much 80-90% of fans didn't want to be in the Challenge Cup (ie. More games, no chance of winning it) and to rest players/give fringe players a chance. Lowes did that. The lads on the pitch had every opportunity to win the game. They didn't. Lowes in the SL when he took over managed to turn a Bulls side around that was losing left, right and centre to beat the likes of Wigan and Leeds. He took us to second last season and took us within inches of getting promoted, albeit against the odds with the calibre of players and the finances all in Wakey's favour.
This season we are currently 4th with a game in hand (against Oldham). Unbeaten in the league, a few hiccups. Desire to come back like a top team against Leigh and a hiccup against Batley (who may I add have beaten two other fulltime teams) yet we weren't beaten. Granted we are not playing to our full potential, yet we are the only unbeaten side and have played 3 of the better teams in Batley, Fev and Leigh. already. As with any team there will be a period where this Bulls side plays to it's potential, I for one am glad it's not now. Later in the season when it matters if we don't get the results and play well then yes, maybe look at sacking Lowes. But for now get behind him and the lads, get a few of the injured bodies back let's hope we stay unbeaten!
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| Quote Bulls Boy 2011="Bulls Boy 2011"Can't please some people. Pretty much 80-90% of fans didn't want to be in the Challenge Cup (ie. More games, no chance of winning it) and to rest players/give fringe players a chance. Lowes did that. The lads on the pitch had every opportunity to win the game. They didn't. Lowes in the SL when he took over managed to turn a Bulls side around that was losing left, right and centre to beat the likes of Wigan and Leeds. He took us to second last season and took us within inches of getting promoted, albeit against the odds with the calibre of players and the finances all in Wakey's favour.
This season we are currently 4th with a game in hand (against Oldham). Unbeaten in the league, a few hiccups. Desire to come back like a top team against Leigh and a hiccup against Batley (who may I add have beaten two other fulltime teams) yet we weren't beaten. Granted we are not playing to our full potential, yet we are the only unbeaten side and have played 3 of the better teams in Batley, Fev and Leigh. already. As with any team there will be a period where this Bulls side plays to it's potential, I for one am glad it's not now. Later in the season when it matters if we don't get the results and play well then yes, maybe look at sacking Lowes. But for now get behind him and the lads, get a few of the injured bodies back let's hope we stay unbeaten!'"
I can see your POV. I'm just a bit concerned that we're not playing as well as we were this time last year. If we get it together when it matters all will be forgiven. However if we don't will we have left it too late? What point do we say it's time for a change?
All the gubbins about everything being a "pre-season" until the 8s is a red herring IMO. Once you get out on the pitch you're giving 100% anyway.
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