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| I don't think it's a good idea personally but if the RFL is going to use "Every Minute Matters" as a slogan then it seems logical to keep bonus points.
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| Personally, I'm against pointless [ha ha see what I did there?? changes to the rules, of which bonus points is a perfect example. Like three points for a win, which only entered British sport due to soccer authorities wanting to see more teams going for the win and fewer sides just holding out for the draw [a situation which has no parallel whatsoever in RL, so totally unnecessary.
As far as the league format goes though, the one really important thing for me, is that once implemented, it doesn't change mid season. Before we start, if nothing else, we need to know what the rules are, how they are to be 'interpreted', and that they are fixed. I'm not even holding my breath on that simple requirement.
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| The promotion/relegation system is already too complicated (I’ve only just grasped how it works) so having bonus points just makes worse. Such developments only disillusion the casual fan IMO. Why the eff can’t we keep things simple???
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| Quote Bull Mania="Bull Mania"I'm 100% against it, unfortunately I think the numpties at red hall have already made their mind up.'"
But it isn't just up to them is it?
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| Here's another reason that the Bonus Point is patently unfair:
looking at the Championship table Whitehaven and Batley were both on 39 points (Batley in relegation zone due to 3 points deduction for fielding ineligible player) but Whitehaven had won 11 games to Batley's 10 however Batley were above them because they had an extra bonus point (for losing) and a drawn game.
Remember the points are 3 for a win 2 for a draw, and 1 if lost by 12 or less..
So let's compare a hypothetical club result to emphasise how wrong it could be..let's use Haven and Batley as the example...
Both teams are at 39 points with either being relegation candidates in the battle to stay above 10th in the table, which this year will see them go into the conference league.
Lets suppose that each have two more games to play?
Haven have the easiest run in and Batley the hardest:
Haven are 9th and Batley are 8th (because Batley have a better points difference, even though they have lost one game more than Haven).
So when they play the two games Haven results are (this is now hypothetical, as they are fictitious games) one game won 3 points and one game lost by over 12 points (no bonus point)> Total points to add to the 39 points makes it 42 but scoring ave is still below Batley:
Batley now: Results from their two games: Draw and a loss by 12 points points awarded 2 for a draw and 1 Bonus point = 3 or 42.
The actual games won by Whitehaven would be 12 (see actual results to date in LE) and points 42 Batley actual games won is 10 points 42>> Batley though have the better points average for and against..so Whitehaven finish 10th and are relegated and Batley stay up..
Apologies to fans of either team, I am only using your teams as an example as you are the nearest to the unjust system of the Bonus point ?
Another misnomer is the 2 points for a draw, it used to be a drawn game shared the points equally ie 1 point in SL... this is ok for the two teams concerned, but as the example shows patently unfair for other teams in the competition, if they haven't had any draws or a low bonus point reading..
You might prefer to stick pins up your cuticles, and I'll forgive you if you just say rubbish. and don't bother to read it.
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| Not liking a system isn't the same is it being unfair. In your case both teams know how to score league points and the table is decided accordingly. Whether you agree that it is a good system is another question
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| Two points for the draw is:
One point each for the draw.
One point each for not losing by 12 points.
I personally don't think bonus points should be introduced / continued in the revised structure.
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| Quote AJW="AJW"Not liking a system isn't the same is it being unfair. In your case both teams know how to score league points and the table is decided accordingly. Whether you agree that it is a good system is another question'"
Would I like the system for all the 3 leagues is the question..I never liked it when it was first brought about for championship clubs..so nothing changes my thoughts on it's merit.
Are you sitting on the fence? Or is it that we don't know that much about it as we (Bulls) were in SL and it didn't really affect us? However I feel that if we don't make our voices heard it will be a cross we have to bear, and another thing foisted on our sport that we as supporters,have had no say in.
Giving an advantage for losing a game is not a good idea,(IMO) as I hope you will see from the rather complex example..It's simple to give 2 points for a win, 1 point for a draw, and the deciding factor if two teams are at the same league points is the points difference at the end of the season, surely this is the incentive for teams to score as many points as possible whilst minimising the points scored against them?
My case rests.
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| I'm not sitting on the fence - I personally don't like it
Having said that, its not that I think it is unfair, just overly complicated
What I do think is that having said "Every Minute Matters", it would seem logical to keep it so the RFL can say that even when you know you are going to lose, every minute matters as there is still a bonus point to be won
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| Quote Rarebreed="Rarebreed" However I feel that if we don't make our voices heard it will be a cross we have to bear, and another thing foisted on our sport that we as supporters,have had no say in.'"
And that differs from every other sport how?
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| Maybe the RFL are considering awarding a bonus point for beating particular teams??:)
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